BT and BSkyB lead broadband battle

[muppetman11]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...redirect=false

[denphone]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...redirect=false

Most of these figures have to be questioned to a certain extent as one Sky subsidises a lot of its broadband customers and target the cheap end of the Broadband market secondly BT has always had a long term built in advantage with its copper wire networks as many of its customers have always had a BT phone line and thus are never inclined to change their phone line and thirdly Virgin targets the quality high end of the broadband market and will never get as many new customers as BT and Sky.

[New to cable]

Originally Posted by denphone

Most of these figures have to be questioned to a certain extent as one Sky subsidises a lot of its broadband customers and target the cheap end of the Broadband market secondly BT has always had a long term built in advantage with its copper wire networks as many of its customers have always had a BT phone line and thus are never inclined to change their phone line and thirdly Virgin targets the quality high end of the broadband market and will never get as many new customers as BT and Sky.

Virginmedia subsides its broadband massively as well, 50Mb has a "official" list price of £45 but its subsidised for phone and TV customers to as low as £25.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by New to cable

Virginmedia subsides its broadband massively as well, 50Mb has a "official" list price of £45 but its subsidised for phone and TV customers to as low as £25.

But in the end their broadband is far superior to anything the others will ever offer and remember to get better broadband you have to pay a bit more compared to the awful crap that most of the others churn out with their exaggerated pretend speeds and poorer copper wire networks.

[love tor]

Originally Posted by denphone

But in the end their broadband is far superior to anything the others will ever offer and remember to get better broadband you have to pay a bit more compared to the awful crap that most of the others churn out with their exaggerated pretend speeds and poorer copper wire networks.

VIRGINMEDIA is a HFC netork, Hybrid,Fibre,Coaxal copper....

So its copper to your home, sometime the length of VM copper is long than someone living near there BT exchange.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by denphone

But in the end their broadband is far superior to anything the others will ever offer and remember to get better broadband you have to pay a bit more compared to the awful crap that most of the others churn out with their exaggerated pretend speeds and poorer copper wire networks.

Sheesh, not this again.

VM's broadband is not superior to anything, it's only strong point is headline download speeds and it makes too many sacrifices elsewhere to achieve it. VM fails on pretty much every other metric outside of download speeds, and most especially on low-end value.

Hell now there's competitiors that come close to VM for download speeds they don't even have that anymore.

And yes, VM's network is also just as much copper as BT FTTC and marginally less than standard ADSL.

[TJS]

Because BT has vast areas where they are the only ISP available esp. rural areas.

Sky subsidise their broadband heavily to get people to buy their tv service.

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Originally Posted by New to cable

Virginmedia subsides its broadband massively as well, 50Mb has a "official" list price of £45 but its subsidised for phone and TV customers to as low as £25.

http://shop.virginmedia.com/broadband/up-to-50mb.html



£35 a month as an entirely stand alone product with no subsidisation.

Not 45.

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Originally Posted by love tor

VIRGINMEDIA is a HFC netork, Hybrid,Fibre,Coaxal copper....

So its copper to your home, sometime the length of VM copper is long than someone living near there BT exchange.

Rarely. They tend to have the street cabs laid out so people are no longer then 150 meters away from a cab. And when thats the case they lay even thicker cables to the persons house (such as my case) even the standard RJ6 cables that they lay are multiple times thicker and better shielded then a phone line.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by TJS

Sky subsidise their broadband heavily to get people to buy their tv service.

Actually Sky Broadband and Talk have been profitable since this quarter of last year.

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Originally Posted by TJS

Rarely. They tend to have the street cabs laid out so people are no longer then 150 meters away from a cab. And when thats the case they lay even thicker cables to the persons house (such as my case) even the standard RJ6 cables that they lay are multiple times thicker and better shielded then a phone line.

There isn't fibre to every cabinet, in fact there isn't fibre to most of them. VM's network is FTTN, Fibre To The Node.

[richard1960]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Sheesh, not this again.

VM's broadband is not superior to anything, it's only strong point is headline download speeds and it makes too many sacrifices elsewhere to achieve it. VM fails on pretty much every other metric outside of download speeds, and most especially on low-end value.

Hell now there's competitiors that come close to VM for download speeds they don't even have that anymore.

And yes, VM's network is also just as much copper as BT FTTC and marginally less than standard ADSL.

Virgin broadband is superior to anything else available where i live! as ADSL can offer speeds of only 1.5mb maximum through a BT line,so i have to disagree with you there vms broadband gives me a rock solid near 10mb .

[qasdfdsaq]

And that ADSL line would probably be better in every other way aside from download speed. You've not disagreed with anything...

[richard1960]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

And that ADSL line would probably be better in every other way aside from download speed. You've not disagreed with anything...

By the way how would that be better as i often stream content but would not be able to with 1.5mb as it would keep buffering,even BT admit this.?

You said VM broadband is not superior in your posting clearly that is not the case with me, it is vastly superior to ADSL in my area now stop digging.

[New to cable]

Originally Posted by TJS

http://shop.virginmedia.com/broadband/up-to-50mb.html



£35 a month as an entirely stand alone product with no subsidisation.

Not 45.[COLOR="Silver"]

As I was informed by BENMCR the 50Mb is listed at £45 even my bill shows.

Your main services (Provided by Virgin Media Ltd or Virgin Media Payments Ltd) £35.00

XXL 50Mb Broadband
09 August - 08 September £45.00

Broadband XXL Discount
09 August - 08 September -£10.00

So the list price is £45.

[TJS]

Originally Posted by New to cable

As I was informed by BENMCR the 50Mb is listed at £45 even my bill shows.

Your main services (Provided by Virgin Media Ltd or Virgin Media Payments Ltd) £35.00

XXL 50Mb Broadband
09 August - 08 September £45.00

Broadband XXL Discount
09 August - 08 September -£10.00

So the list price is £45.

Nope, still wrong. Thats just because of the way virgins billing system works, when 50 mb was first introduced it was £45, but its now £35. no discounts. that's just how much it costs now.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by TJS

Nope, still wrong. Thats just because of the way virgins billing system works, when 50 mb was first introduced it was £45, but its now £35. no discounts. that's just how much it costs now.

Actually it was £52 when first introduced. Somewhere along the line £7 was lopped off the price. There are probably some people still paying £45 for it in fact.

Anyway £35 for new customers now as a standalone product.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Actually it was £52 when first introduced. Somewhere along the line £7 was lopped off the price. There are probably some people still paying £45 for it in fact.

Anyway £35 for new customers now as a standalone product.

And anyone who is currently paying £45 for stand alone and is out of 12 month contract can ring up and get the £35 rate for 12 months - no quibbles.