BT begins FTTC broadband rollout pilots

[soicky]

http://www.broadbandwatchdog.co.uk/s...cabinet-pilot/

It is envisaged that customers will receive broadband download speeds of up to 40Mb and upload speeds of 5Mb.

Seems the upload speed will bet better than virgin for some people and hopefully the price will be alot cheaper.

[*sloman*]

Hopefully but Cable & Wireless/NTL/Telewest had this technology in 1991.

The upload speed of 5Mbps sounds good but i'm sure i read they where thinking about 15Mbps

[Ignitionnet]

BT to increase rollout speed. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/i/4004.html

It's similar technology slo but not quite the same, the cable tech is more shared bandwidth while the VDSL is dedicated connectivity to the cabinet though I know what you're saying, fibre all the way is the way to go for sure.

[slowcoach]

Currently BT can only supply me with 512Kbs but the BT cab is only 25 – 30 metres away so hopefully I should be able to get full speeds from BT for the first time when the line is upgraded early next year.
I am really happy with the price and performance of my VM connection so I will not be moving to BT but it will be nice to have an alternative viable option.

[zing]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

BT to increase rollout speed. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/i/4004.html

It's similar technology slo but not quite the same, the cable tech is more shared bandwidth while the VDSL is dedicated connectivity to the cabinet though I know what you're saying, fibre all the way is the way to go for sure.

Im in that list bought time VM had some comp. With a bit of luck as soon as Sky do it as soon as its live here

The VDSL has a sharp drop off over a short distance but no one is that far from the cab I am seriously looking forward to it.

30 meg down 1.5 up on Sky Max please lol lol

[Ignitionnet]

I will wait on the FTTC with interest and a view to ditching this 50M intermittent connection for something I can actually use with some assurance it's going to be working.

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Originally Posted by soicky

Seems the upload speed will bet better than virgin for some people and hopefully the price will be alot cheaper.

Our internet services are already quite cheap enough actually, that includes cable. See the OECD broadband stats for more information. Our costs are well below the average, bit like our performance.

[Pierre]

I'd be interested to the network topology.

VM Fibre cabinets are all connected in an SDH ring so if the fibre gets cut in one place service is not interupted.

I doubt BT could mirror that with their network and would think that their cabinets will be connected by a point to point fibre, therefore if that fibre was ever cut you'd lose the whole cab and everyone on it.

Believe me cable hits are very common.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'd be interested to the network topology.

VM Fibre cabinets are all connected in an SDH ring so if the fibre gets cut in one place service is not interupted.

I doubt BT could mirror that with their network and would think that their cabinets will be connected by a point to point fibre, therefore if that fibre was ever cut you'd lose the whole cab and everyone on it.

Believe me cable hits are very common.

The VM telco is resilient SDH yes, though the CATV nodes are point to point fibre.

BT will have point to point fibre backhauling the MSANs but this will not affect the telco network, the telco will be split from the VDSL and carry on to the existing exchange based voice kit, only VDSL data will be terminated and carried on that fibre.

Considering that the backhaul fibre will be travelling in the same ducts as existing telco lines its' reliability should be comparable to existing unprotected voice services over the BT network - 5 9's or better.

[Ignitionnet]

Bumpy bumpy with a bit of new information.

http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/prod...s_brochure.pdf

Super-fast Fibre Access has been designed to be an attractive
proposition for the widest possible customer base. It’s being
delivered in two ways, over a:
• Part fibre, part copper infrastructure (Fibre to the Cabinet)
capable of delivering download speeds of up to 40Mb and
upload speeds of up to 10Mb
• Pure fibre infrastructure (Fibre to the Premises) capable
of delivering download speeds of up to 100Mb and upload
speeds of up to 10Mb.

[soicky]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Bumpy bumpy with a bit of new information.

http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/prod...s_brochure.pdf

Super-fast Fibre Access has been designed to be an attractive
proposition for the widest possible customer base. It’s being
delivered in two ways, over a:
• Part fibre, part copper infrastructure (Fibre to the Cabinet)
capable of delivering download speeds of up to 40Mb and
upload speeds of up to 10Mb
• Pure fibre infrastructure (Fibre to the Premises) capable
of delivering download speeds of up to 100Mb and upload
speeds of up to 10Mb.

Shouldn't the upload speed be higher for FTTP.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by soicky

Shouldn't the upload speed be higher for FTTP.

Yep you are correct

[Druchii]

Originally Posted by soicky

Shouldn't the upload speed be higher for FTTP.

But upload is so not needed to leech DVD's... Download MP3's and generally use the net.

Or so the ISP's seem to think. Argh.

Are they using FTTC and then VDSL2 to your home? If so, NextGenTel are doing that here now, offering 40/20 to everyone within 800m of a cabinet

[Ignitionnet]

Yep upload speed could and should be higher on FTTP given the bandiwdth is 2.4Gbps downstream and 1.2Gbps upstream to each 32 home split.

On the other hand given Virgin palm people with 50Mbps off with 1.75Mbps upstream at the moment the incentive to improve things is hardly overwhelming. Virgin are, frankly, excrement for upstream so BT do similar, a pretty common story.

BT pushing out to 10Mbps is as much as VM are advertising, and given that VM are seeing upstream congestion even with the crappy upstreams they offer now they have some work to do!

[zing]

there seems to be a massive roll out of new BT cables around my area. Although they seem to be installing loads of undergroud cabs ( not sure if they are but they are quite big boxes. )

My area was listed for roll out mid next year so dunno if its to early for this to actually be fibre going in

Edit the pdf is saying the 29 exchanges getting it next year could be live as soon as January

[Ignitionnet]

Yes Druchii it's FTTN then VDSL2 to the home, though it's no different from VM running FTTN then DOCSIS 3 on downsteam with DOCSIS 1 / 1.1 on upstream so giving claims that BT are being silly are tricky given VM are the ones offering 20Mbit with a 768k upstream (BT equivalent 1.3Mbit) and 53Mbit with a 1.75Mbit (LLU Annex M equivalent up to 2.5Mbit on a maximum 24.5Mbit downstream) upstream. It's very clear VM haven't given a crap about upstream and BT are just riding on their coat tails...

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Originally Posted by zing

My area was listed for roll out mid next year so dunno if its to early for this to actually be fibre going in

No mate it likely is indeed that FTTC action going on - the usual telco network is very low maintenance

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Yep you are correct

Same token shouldn't the upstream speeds be higher for VM's fibre optic broadband than 768k for a 20Mbit downstream, ratio over 26 to 1, or their DOCSIS 3 based 50Mbit product, ratio over 30 to 1?

Frankly BT's 10:1 on an FTTP 100Mbit product kicks arse compared to anything VM have at the moment. Given VM like to whip the e-peen out and consider themselves as being a fibre optic broadband product those are the standards they have to be compared to so there we go.