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Old 13-12-2008, 19:59   #1
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My ISP is charging for + 2GB

Hi all,

I got a letter today from my ISP to say they are are going to start charging for uploads / downloads more then 2GB per month.

I've not happy about that capped service.

Does anybody know of / have any letter templates I can send them to say I'm not happy about the change of service?

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Old 13-12-2008, 20:05   #2
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Re: My ISP is charging for + 2GB

Vote with your feet. They'll realise their mistake once a number of people have quit. A letter won't do anything. What do they intend to charge and what is your current charge/deal?
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Old 13-12-2008, 20:21   #4
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Re: My ISP is charging for + 2GB

Problem is - I have a free block of 5 IP addresses with them, which I don't really want to loose.

I'm on a Up-to 8MB ADSL Max service - which I'm lucky if I get 2.5MB out of it.

I pay £17.99 a month.

What other ISP can give me that deal for £17.99 then?
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Old 14-12-2008, 13:31   #5
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Problem is - I have a free block of 5 IP addresses with them, which I don't really want to loose.

I'm on a Up-to 8MB ADSL Max service - which I'm lucky if I get 2.5MB out of it.

I pay £17.99 a month.

What other ISP can give me that deal for £17.99 then?
Go to BE or Sky they are cheaper and prob the best using ADSL
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Old 14-12-2008, 17:53   #6
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No good if he wants a block of static IPs though.
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No good if he wants a block of static IPs though.
Exactly!

So - any ideas? I can get the basic broadband from £0 to £20 but the stumbling block is the IP addresses...
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Re: My ISP is charging for + 2GB

Its a tough one as its mostly only Business broadband that will supply static IP addresses.
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Adsl24 sell packages with a block of 8 ip addresses free of charge.

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https://www.bethere.co.uk/broadbandoffice.do#

Be offer upto 16 static IP address
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Be offer upto 16 static IP address
Isn't that their business package though?
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You only get one static IP free, you have to pay for the others. It would end up costing about £30 through Be.
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Exactly!

So - any ideas? I can get the basic broadband from £0 to £20 but the stumbling block is the IP addresses...
your talking about your current (french owned) Orange ISP putting these new per byte charges on their upload and download traffic right?


simply put they are ranked as one of the worst ISPs, they apparently give one of the worst DSL transfers for a given line, and they are probably not giving you your top speed
you could get elswere.

the choice is yours OC, but its inevitable that once you accept the new (Orange?) per byte contract, they will magicly (as in change a setting in their kit) find a way to give you slightly faster rates on your line to take you over the crumby 2GIG upload/download combined limit, and you will find your paying these extra charges month on month as you go over the set amount without realising it.

you never went over before, so you assume you wont then, and thats a mistake, they will try and lock you into the new contract, and you cant know if you will go over the base rate 2 gig until you try it, its to late by then OC....

what exactly are you using these so called free fixed IPs for anyway?

if they are important to you then your far better off getting a good ISP that can run your line at its max and look to other services elswere.

for instance it would be nice if VM even came close to this free webside ISP deal, VM wont even give you a working Bin dir, and scripts or even enough space to make it werth using as a dump files for your VM friends to pull stuff of , these guys give you loads more and for free on the basic webserver package to hook you with a perfectly usable free package, and have you pay for better packages, the way it should be done everywere OC....

http://www.000webhost.com/features

i dont think they give you more than their given IP on the servers OC but they may do a payed for add-on....


if you really want your own fixed IPs then your far better off looking at the free IPv6 tunnels, and trying out that new web space, they give you all the free v6 IPs you might need and you get to be part of, and help grow the end users www IPv6 world tunnel network while the worlds ISPs refuse to turn on ipv6 and Multicast protocols and keep filtering them out to your desktop CPE BB kit sat on your table/desk...

http://go6.net/4105/freenet.asp

http://tunnelbroker.net/

and even tunneling into the multicast enabled Janet
http://www.broker.ipv6.ac.uk/tunnelreq.html


iv not got seriously into this as yet, never find the time but its clear, if you want to take your home PC LAN kit and put it to good use as a slower (due purely to your slower ISP given upload rate) serverside direct ip device for other end users to connect to and use, then the IPv6 tunneled access service offered for free to the world community above seems like your best bet for everyones home use, OC the faster your upload rate the better your tunneling connections and the services you can use effectively.


"enableing you to reach the IPv6 Internet by tunneling over existing IPv4 connections from your IPv6 enabled host or router to one of our IPv6 routers. To use this service you need to have an IPv6 capable host (IPv6 support is available for most platforms) or router which also has IPv4 (existing Internet) connectivity.

Our tunnel service is oriented towards developers and experimenters that want a stable tunnel platform."

OC if your using these so called free fixed Orange IPs you mention above ,then again your far better off paying slightly more and getting the far better speeds form another ISP vendor,and putting your fixed IPs on that , as you can get your personal IPs assigned to you were ever you go rather than rely on some free IPs that your now going to loose or pay far more per byte in traffic later.

per byte tarrifs might be good for the ISP vendors profits but thay re a very bad thing for the worlds End users as can be seen with the mobile phone SMS charging models, you just dont get value for money per byte and its geared to maximising company profits.

and your not doing yourself or everyone else any favours for the long term future if you sign upto and use these per byte services as your main web connection long term.

you allow these companys to rip you off,they will gladly and gradually allow you to keep paying OTT prices, and all your doing is re enforcing these per byte pricing models and helping them grow at your direct long term expense.....soon you wont be able to buy anything but these per byte ISP contracts if you encurage them to expand and grow on that per byte pricing model they want you desperatly to take.
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they will magicly (as in change a setting in their kit) find a way to give you slightly faster rates on your line to take you over the crumby 2GIG upload/download combined limit, and you will find your paying these extra charges month on month as you go over the set amount without realising it.
what sort of crazy logic is that? having a faster internet connection doesn't make you use it more!

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if you really want your own fixed IPs then your far better off looking at the free IPv6 tunnels, and trying out that new web space, they give you all the free v6 IPs you might need and you get to be part of, and help grow the end users www IPv6 world tunnel network while the worlds ISPs refuse to turn on ipv6 and Multicast protocols and keep filtering them out to your desktop CPE BB kit sat on your table/desk...
i highly doubt using IPv6 IPs will help him here at all. If he's using the extra IPs to host things for people then they will want IPv4 not IPv6! Not many sites at all support IPv6 and practically no residential ISP does either. Having IPv6 IPs is currently pretty useless except for things setup by IPv6 people which aren't worth the effort
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what sort of crazy logic is that? having a faster internet connection doesn't make you use it more!



i highly doubt using IPv6 IPs will help him here at all. If he's using the extra IPs to host things for people then they will want IPv4 not IPv6! Not many sites at all support IPv6 and practically no residential ISP does either. Having IPv6 IPs is currently pretty useless except for things setup by IPv6 people which aren't worth the effort
LOL your funny, OC having a faster internet connection makes you find more uses for it, thats the whole point of the likes of VM etc offering up these faster speeds for you to sign up to.

but in this case , improving the data throughput is more about keeping a careful eye on the vendors practices to take you over the set per byte limits SO THEY CAN GAIN EXTRA PROFITS without to much trouble from the customer OC...and without you realising the fact until its to late.

as for YOUR "crazy logic", as regards IPv6 not being werth the effort, have you looked, or even tryed it?, do you know whats currently available, or for that matter what he wants to use these fixed IPs for , "If he's using the extra IPs to host things for people" , then why cant these people also use these simple and free overlay tunnels, who are these people and are they also end users looking to experiment etc ,etc....

AND OC lest you conveniently forget,the generic DS3 certification process for even the lowest current "bronze" cert kit states that all kit must pass IPv6 and multicast amung other things as a mandatory action, as its to be used in all the DS3 roleouts world wide as part of the generic base standard, and OC the same applys to the old *DSL replacements around the world too.

theres nothing wrong with my (for the long term) logic, your's however seems geared toward wanting to disproving things rather than helping things, and totally lacking in pointing people to something that might be fun to take part in and help grow....for them.

if lee as the OP doent want to at least consider and/or try them thats up to him, other readers of the thread might want to though OC, its not your place to reject them for him unless your his dad

i do find it odd though that you would dismiss and call something thats free ,available right now to anyone that wants it, and got at least one web access point to use,and with the potential to give you far more power than you have right now on the old ipv4 unicast ISP network as "werthless", Now thats very strange logic indeed.... even more so, coming from a "dev" assuming you do actually develop web apps and related net tools etc, rather than mearly warez it as it were for a cool handle OC
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