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Old 29-03-2008, 07:03   #16
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Re: Dear Trevor Elliott ( MD CUSTOMER SERVICE )

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Do you wanna bet. All Customer Relations staff work on commision. Each disconnect or save counts. By him putting on that discount for you he will have got a 'save' meaning more commision for him. Hes not bothered about the after effects as its unlikey you'd go back to him so he dosn't have to deal with it. As the staff are targeted on their save rates and credit spend (how much credit they have to put on the account) he's benifited and some other poor staff member will have to clean up the mess and take a hit on thier credit spend or take a disconnection.

My advice. Ask to speak to only the person that made the offer to you. Make them take the hit and make them accountable and have to deal with you. Then once you've done that and they've resoved the problem and given you the deal that was promised don't leave it at that. Make a formal written complaint about the person and the fact of all the problems you've had since.

Akia thanks for the reply.

I am aware that the agents work on a commision basis, but my whole point is that as far as I am concerned this discount was given with the blessing of VM.

VM as far as I see can now be taken up for breach of contract, which they will be if they do not contact me because their promised " within 48 hours " has lapsed.

I will want the matter escalated so I can then have ofcom take a look at the matter.

VM are cheating their customers if any more proof is needed take a look at the mobile phone fiasco.

Thanks again.
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Old 30-03-2008, 14:13   #17
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Re: Dear Trevor Elliott ( MD CUSTOMER SERVICE )

Just had a telephone call from VM some half hour ago.

The lady I spoke with said she had checked the file and had found that a discount for 6 months had been applied in respect of the problems I was having, I said that last week I had a letter stating it was one month.

She said that if it had been 12 months then a new contract would have been required, that no 12 month discount would have been offered without a new contract.

I replied that at no point in our conversation was a new contract mentioned, and that the adviser had clearly said the discount was for 12 months.

So looks like its to ofcom to see if they can clear up the mess, because frankly I am not impressed with the constant different stories from VM.

Here is my reply to them I sent:



Sir/madam,
With regard the above complaint reference number and telephone call from virgin media today 30th march 2008.
The adviser informed me that checking through the file there was a 6 month discount placed on the account in respect of the broadband, and that if it had been a 12 month offer it would have required a new 12 month contract between myself and virgin media.
Firstly, the quote of six months seems to have changed from what I was initially told last week
quote : Thank you for your e-mail dated 23 March 2008 regarding your enquiry
into the letter received about your monthly service charges. I am sorry
that you have had cause to write to us about this.
Having checked your account I can confirm that the letter is correct.
On 17 September 2007 a discount was applied to your account for £12.00.
This was applied as a one month gesture, however this has continued
until March 2008, our audit team have noticed this error and removed the
discount. The correct monthly charge is now £37.00 for 20mb broadband.
This may not be the resolution you were hoping for, but can assure you
our information is now correct.
If you have further queries regarding this matter or any other issue,
please use the link provided below:
www.virginmedia.com/contact end quote

As I have previously stated, I destinctly heard the adviser whom I was talking to at the time state 12 months, admittedly it was only towards the end of the conversation that I remembered to ask how long the offer was for, and he said 12 months, not one month or six months as it now seems, nor was there a new 12 month contract mentioned.
What I wanted was the offer I was given in the first place, which would mean that in september I am given the choice of keeping and paying for 20mb or downgrading to a cheaper speed.
Seeing as following todays call from virgin media that you are not willing to do that then I will now contact ofcom to lodge a formal complaint with them.
I would have preferred to have had this settled in a civil way but I am left with little choice now.
Yours sincerely,






Virgin media cannot be trusted, I will now contact ofcom because basically I've come to the end of the road with vm's complaint system, their words not mine, I asked for the complaint to be escalated, she informed me it had, so now its upto ofcom.
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Old 30-03-2008, 15:26   #18
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As I have said before, in another thread the next stage would be CISAS who are Virgin's nominated Alternative Dispute Resolution Service

Ofcom WILL direct you back to them. From their website

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If you’ve gone through the company’s formal complaint process and your concerns still aren’t resolved, the next thing to try is the company’s Alternative Dispute Resolution (or ADR) scheme. The ADR scheme acts as an independent middleman between the company and the customer. If the company’s in the wrong, the ADR scheme can order the company to fix the problem and, if needed, pay compensation.

Ofcom does not investigate individual consumer complaints and we will not respond to you about your individual complaint. However, we monitor all consumer issues and may investigate a company if monitoring data reveals a particular problem. You can help us by filling in our consumer monitoring survey form.

Please note that this survey form is for monitoring purposes only and you should not expect Ofcom to address your individual case. Individual complaints should be raised with your provider first, then with its Alternative Dispute Resolution service if the issue has not been resolved.

You should find details of the company’s ADR scheme either on the back of your bill, or available from the company’s customer services staff.
There are here http://www.cisas.org.uk. However they will require Virgin to send you a deadlock letter before CISAS will take it on (or if 12 weeks have passed since you wrote to Virgin)

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You should first of all let the company know that you have a problem with them. The company then has up to three months to try and settle that problem with you, or to issue you with a deadlock letter which will refer you to us. If you come to us before going to the company then we will be unable to handle your complaint and will refer you to the company.

If more than three months has passed since you told the company of your problem and you have still not had your complaint resolved to your satisfaction, you may then come direct to us.

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Old 30-03-2008, 15:31   #19
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As I have said before, in another thread the next stage would be CISAS who are Virgin's nominated independent complaint resolution service

Ofcom WILL direct you back to them

There are here http://www.cisas.org.uk. However you will require Virgin to send you a deadlock letter before CISAS will take it on

Thankyou Ben, I have infact submitted my case to cisas.

With regard Deadlock letter, the person who rang me said there would be no deadlock letter, that I had escalated the issue as far as I could, I have explained all this to cisas, thanks again.
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VM are cheating their customers if any more proof is needed take a look at the mobile phone fiasco.
What fiasco? Virgin are withdrawing the rolling over on the minutes and texts. They have given everyone ones months written notice of this. The contract is a 30 day one. Therefore anyone who wishes to, can cancel at any time.

It doesn't affect those customers who have taken the 100/100 with free phone offer which is a 12 month contract.

Seems all above board to me
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Old 30-03-2008, 22:31   #21
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What fiasco? Virgin are withdrawing the rolling over on the minutes and texts. They have given everyone ones months written notice of this. The contract is a 30 day one. Therefore anyone who wishes to, can cancel at any time.

It doesn't affect those customers who have taken the 100/100 with free phone offer which is a 12 month contract.

Seems all above board to me

Ben with respect I think you take your loyalty to your employer too far at times.

They have given everyone one month written notice having told people through text, and that is where the main gripe is by the look at the comments regarding what I see as a fiasco, sorry if you do not agree with the word.
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Old 31-03-2008, 01:22   #22
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They can't win,

If they'd have send just a letter you'd have people complaining that they never recived it, (as i hear day in day out).

Sending a text and a letter I'd say is the best option all round. Text messages have delivery reports whereas snailmail dosn't at least via text they can check to make sure people have got it.
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Sending a letter about a change of service is the best way, sending a text is not professional IMO. Virgin Mobile sending that text to me on Friday has cost them my custom.

Ooh and hmm - there appears to be a clash of topics here ...
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Sending a letter about a change of service is the best way, sending a text is not professional IMO. Virgin Mobile sending that text to me on Friday has cost them my custom.

Ooh and hmm - there appears to be a clash of topics here ...

Thanks for noticing Mick, pity Ben did not.
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Thanks for noticing Mick, pity Ben did not.
You raised the mobile phone topic in your post #16, where you stated "VM are cheating their customers if any more proof is needed take a look at the mobile phone fiasco".

Does that mean you can raise an off-topic point, but no one is allowed to rebut it?
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You raised the mobile phone topic in your post #16, where you stated "VM are cheating their customers if any more proof is needed take a look at the mobile phone fiasco".

Does that mean you can raise an off-topic point, but no one is allowed to rebut it?

It may have been off topic but is as far as I see relevant.

Now I've made my point and people have had a go back the mobile phone fiasco can be discussed elsewhere.
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Re: Dear Trevor Elliott ( MD CUSTOMER SERVICE )

Had a reply from consumer direct today that says that if I was told the deal was for 12 months I should expect them to honour the deal.

They advise contacting vm ( which I have done ) and make it clear I am claiming from them, asking vm to check the call recordings to find exactly what I was told.

They advise then contacting CISAS if vm is not able ( or willing ) to resolve this matter.

Now waiting for reply from CISAS.
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They won't be any recordings of the conversation. Calls are only recorded for training purposes. They are not archived.
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They won't be any recordings of the conversation. Calls are only recorded for training purposes. They are not archived.

Convenient for vm hey ben?

Whether or not I am entitled to not be charged more during the 12 months I was promised.

Oddly enough just got one of those surveys from vm, needless to say I was not overly praising in my thoughts on how they have handled my complaint.

Every pound vm overcharge me between now and september will be claimed back through the small claims court plus compensation for undue stress and interest.

My advice to anyone thinking of taking vm do it on your own back, they cannot be trusted.
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Convenient for vm hey ben?
Standard industry practice.

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Every pound vm overcharge me between now and september will be claimed back through the small claims court plus compensation for undue stress and interest.
Which would come to a total of £90

(7 x 12) + 8% interest (which is the figure the courts use) = £90.72

Plus you will have to await the outcome of the CISAS investigation as per the court rules

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The website to make a small claim is here http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/o...mcol/index.htm The Fee is £25 for anything below £300

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