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Ignitionnet · 15-09-2009, 18:35

This depends on the people supplying you the services as well.

Give me a mo I'll find the BT price list, what the SPs will actually be paying Openreach for the service.

For the confused there are 3 parts of BT that are 'relevant' to all this stuff.

BT Openreach: Will operate the FTTC service, they install the equipment in the cabinets, manage the cabinet mounted kit, do the customer installations, and manage the interconnects to the ISPs. This is the division of BT that manages the copper loop, the FTTC cabinet equipment is their jurisdiction alongside the copper.

BT Wholesale: As happens now, they will take feeds from BT Openreach and distribute them to ISPs who don't want to use Openreach directly. At present this is confined to taking copper circuits from BT Openreach and with the new equipment this will change so that they will take 1s and 0s, data, not a physical bit of copper. These guys are the equivalent of an LLU operator in that they purchase products directly from BT Openreach, however they do not sell to the general public, they use ISPs.

BT Retail: Will be one of the ISPs who will either directly sell the FTTC product having purchased interconnects directly from Openreach, or will use their existing BT Wholesale bandwidth. Equivalents of BT Retail are Zen and Plusnet, these are retail ISPs who do not have significant LLU networks but rely on BT Wholesale.

So it will either run, for billing purposes

BT Openreach <> LLU Operator <> End User

or

BT Openreach <> BT Wholesale <> Retail ISP (Such as BT Retail) <> End User

Network wise it's:

End User PC <Ethernet Cable> VDSL Modem <Openreach Copper> Openreach FTTC MSAN <Openreach Fibre> Handover Switch <Fibre Demarcation> LLU Operator Network <Big Fluffy IP Cloud> T'Internets

or

End User PC <Ethernet Cable> VDSL Modem <Openreach Copper> Openreach FTTC MSAN <Openreach Fibre> Handover Switch <Fibre Demarcation> BT Wholesale Network <Big Fluffy IP Cloud AKA 21CN> Retail ISP Network <Smaller Fluffy Cloud> T'Internets

This is no different from current arrangements.

This list is yet to feature the 40/10 product, but the charges from Openreach are here.

15-09-2009, 18:35	#26
Ignitionnet cf.mega poster Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: On the move Age: 33 Posts: 9,757	Re: BT begins FTTC broadband rollout pilots This depends on the people supplying you the services as well. Give me a mo I'll find the BT price list, what the SPs will actually be paying Openreach for the service. For the confused there are 3 parts of BT that are 'relevant' to all this stuff. BT Openreach: Will operate the FTTC service, they install the equipment in the cabinets, manage the cabinet mounted kit, do the customer installations, and manage the interconnects to the ISPs. This is the division of BT that manages the copper loop, the FTTC cabinet equipment is their jurisdiction alongside the copper. BT Wholesale: As happens now, they will take feeds from BT Openreach and distribute them to ISPs who don't want to use Openreach directly. At present this is confined to taking copper circuits from BT Openreach and with the new equipment this will change so that they will take 1s and 0s, data, not a physical bit of copper. These guys are the equivalent of an LLU operator in that they purchase products directly from BT Openreach, however they do not sell to the general public, they use ISPs. BT Retail: Will be one of the ISPs who will either directly sell the FTTC product having purchased interconnects directly from Openreach, or will use their existing BT Wholesale bandwidth. Equivalents of BT Retail are Zen and Plusnet, these are retail ISPs who do not have significant LLU networks but rely on BT Wholesale. So it will either run, for billing purposes BT Openreach <> LLU Operator <> End User or BT Openreach <> BT Wholesale <> Retail ISP (Such as BT Retail) <> End User Network wise it's: End User PC <Ethernet Cable> VDSL Modem <Openreach Copper> Openreach FTTC MSAN <Openreach Fibre> Handover Switch <Fibre Demarcation> LLU Operator Network <Big Fluffy IP Cloud> T'Internets or End User PC <Ethernet Cable> VDSL Modem <Openreach Copper> Openreach FTTC MSAN <Openreach Fibre> Handover Switch <Fibre Demarcation> BT Wholesale Network <Big Fluffy IP Cloud AKA 21CN> Retail ISP Network <Smaller Fluffy Cloud> T'Internets This is no different from current arrangements. This list is yet to feature the 40/10 product, but the charges from Openreach are here. Last edited by Ignitionnet; 15-09-2009 at 18:48.