[Maggy J]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

If it were the case that your prayer would save my life, how do you think that would make me feel about all those who could have been saved but weren't because no one asked for it?
Sorry, but to me if someone has the direct ability to save someone, then they shouldn't need to be asked to do it, to require actually being asked to help to me is immoral.

If someone is hanging off a window ledge and you have the ability to grab their arm and pull them to safety, should you wait to be asked and if they slip think "Oh well, they didn't ask, it's their fault" or should you just get on and help them?

That's what prayer is if it works, and it says a lot about the deity being prayed to if that's what it takes for it to help, and none of it good.

A xian I worked with nearly lost his wife to food poisoning, she survived while the patient in the bed next to her died. He proclaimed it was because he prayed for her while the other patient's family didn't pray so they died. Nice.

Xaccers you cannot lay wholesale blame on everyone of faith for these short comings in some who think like this.Not every theist would subscribe to that sort of thinking.You cannot lay all the ills of a few on all.That is simply not fair.