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Old 25-03-2008, 17:07   #73
piggy
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Re: VM admit that STM hours vary without notice

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Originally Posted by popper View Post
you missed out that 'informed' as in, real facts from the real world.

its clear when you said "i dont have any answers" and "but the network is over-subscribed" you dont know anything about this subject, but thats OK, as i gave you some answers and the reasons why directly from real facts

if you had read and understood my post, then you would have realised it was giving you answers for both.


hmm, so you dont want to beleave this report eather, do you actually live in the real world!

that article too, made it pritty clear even for a non techy reader just how it intended to work in the real world.



sure, and it wont work as you expect it too, no one in their right mind would sign up for any primary high bandwidth use PAYG broadband , well apart from people with more money than sense in your world perhaps.

theres a reason the mobile PAYG 'Pay By The Mbit Download' didnt take off in this country and why your now seeing fixed monthly rate mobile data packages taking its place, theres no high market share in PBTMbD.


Doh, the profit Virgin Media are making by taking far more user subs for the given over subscribed UBRs, rather than the fewer subs they would be taking if it was only at designed capacity .

lets see if i can break my post down so even you can understand.

in the real world, people pay a price for a service and expect to get that payed for service as per contract.

you as an end user are taking the easy option and blaming the other users for not getting what you pay for, and your wrong.

businesses, such as the one in canada, are not going to blame the users for the throttling.

infact they are rightly so,blaming the supplyers they have contracted with to supply them an agreed and set bandwidth (give or take a small % over time)not a varying throttled connection...,they will take them to court or arbitration but they will get what they pay for.

why dont you take the same stance?, thats not the easy option though is it,far easyer to blame something or someone you cant control, right.

VM are using £millions of your subscription cash to finance ineffective adverts both in the past and right now..., instead of using that cash to bulk up the re-investment cashpot to buy far more UBR cards and related kit while the price is really low , that time to buy is right now.

and finally, all the ISPs not just Virgin Media, complain about the Torrent and streaming video uptake.

but not one of them puts in their pocket and initiates a simple plan to help the torrent users, coders,network or even themselves by paying a few coders afew quid to extend the P2p/torrent codebase.

they refuse to re-activate (they go out of their way to turn it OFF, to make it clear to you)the existing Multicasting capabilitys in all their routers and related kit, and help code up a near realtime multicasting video streaming server.

there are plenty to choose from, VLC being to most popular end user Muticasting client/server and they and everyone would benefit ,not least the ISPs saving masses of bandwidth.

so spend a few quid helping the java AZ and the VLC projects and turning on existing as in for free multicasting, and everyone wins.

verses , spend a few million UKP on US actors adverts and .....,ohh we get a few more users to help over subscribe that new/old UBR....
@popper
people do have different opinions, writing long posts dosnt always make yours right

i fully understand what your getting at and also where the money should be spent but im talking of the real world and all isps oversubscribe its not right and i dont agree with it but that is the real world profit first customers second, the whole broadband market in the uk is a con with plenty of spin we have all seen the "upto" and "unlimited" deals they dont exsist!!

@sirius

im not having ago at you personally i have just stated my opinion anybody who downloads 100's of gigs a week i wouldnt want them on my network
i wouldnt knock the individuals its the system thats wrong there should be a plain english FUP at the start of the t&cs not buried somwhere in the middle
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