It always makes me laugh, when we have all this talk, over the various companies out there and they give all these deals, to get the customers, that pays silly prices, l am not praising Sky or anything, l go for the company that gives the BEST deal, and l believe that if Sky knocked all there sub's down to say £10.00 per month FOR ALL the products, they could sustain that costs for a few years, as they have the big guns, compared to VM, BT Vision etc, as they could not keep up the pressure, we already have VM being sold off, to the highest bidders as they are so much in Debt, ( and Sir Richard listening to offers, now if that wasn't someone who has given up, l don't know what is ) and remind me, how long have they been going - less than a year, what the customer - that forum members - has to worry about is going in for a silly deal, and after the contract is up, the price goes up, and get hit in the pocket, I think that VM will get there fingers burned in the court battle, as the courts will probabely say, that Sky have got a product to sell, and they will go for the best price possible, but VM don't want to pay the price, thats business.