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Originally Posted by foreverwar
Xaccers, you seem to be suggesting a very simplistic polarised view, that if someone is against the war, they must be for Taliban and the terrorists. By that yardstick, if someone is not against the war, does that mean they support everything that the UK and US governments, led by Tony Blair and George W Bush, have done?
Or is it possible that perhaps it's a little more complicated than that?
Calling people terrorist supporters isn't very nice, and to say that if you disagree with your government you must be a supporter of Saddam Hussein brings to mind a certain US politician of the 1950's, Joe McCarthy. Like him, you appear to be confusing dissent with disloyalty.
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
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Perhaps you can explain how if the anti-war march had been successful it would have removed Saddam from power?
You may not have wished for Saddam to remain in power, but by marching to prevent the action which would have removed him you'd be supporting his position as leader in Iraq.
I'm sure it's a hard pill to swallow, but no matter how you protest the fact, it still remains, if you refuse to take the action to remove someone from power, you are giving support for that person to remain in power.
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Thank you for not answering my question
btw, by your reasoning (last paragraph of your post), what action did you take to remove Saddam from power?
btw, I initially supported going to war (so I wasn't a marcher, so your Saddam-supporter smear is without foundation), but when I learnt, over time, that there were no WMD, no links between Saddam and Al-Quaeda, and that our (and the US) government had misled us over these facts, and that our troops were in combat with insufficient/inappropriate equipment, my viewpoint changed.
I am anti-terrorist, but I am also anti our government going to war over false pretenses, then changing the reasons after they were caught out.
And if you say regime-change was a good enough reason, why wasn't/isn't it a good enough reason in Indonesia, Cuba, various African states, China, to name but a few?
Two quotes from Joseph Goebbels - one is about governments, and one is about the way individuals use certain tactics on this forum.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”