"No need for a Phone line" I see nothing has changed with virgin then ?

[Charlie_Bubble]

Originally Posted by m419

Physcologically,it is cheaper, because if you take out the phone service,you will be tempted to make phone calls no matter what the cost,I know I would and then you end up spending more than what you need to.

But Virgin Broadband(10MB) alone plus Vonage Unlimited UK calls comes to: £25.99 per month

Compare that to BT Broadband Option 1 with Anytime Calls comes to: £32.48 including BT line rental

So it is better value.

Virgin Broadband costs £20 per month without a Virgin Phone line and £15 per month with a Virgin Phone line on Talk Weekend,Talk Evenings&Weekends,Talk Unlimited and Talk Anywhere,it cannot be taken with Talk Off-peak as its for telephone only customers, those on Talk off Peak taking Broadband and/or TV will automatically be transfered to another plan.

I have Be* Broadband at £12 a month (I get about 18Meg) and BT Phone at £11 a month = £23. Not better value for me!

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Charlie_Bubble

I have Be* Broadband at £12 a month (I get about 18Meg) and BT Phone at £11 a month = £23. Not better value for me!

How do you get BE at £12 pcm? I pay £18 for the unlimited package.

[Charlie_Bubble]

Originally Posted by danielf

How do you get BE at £12 pcm? I pay £18 for the unlimited package.

Aha, same reason 99% of the people on VM are not paying the actual price quoted!

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Charlie_Bubble

Aha, same reason 99% of the people on VM are not paying the actual price quoted!

Ah. Not *really* a valid comparison then.

[Charlie_Bubble]

Why not? It's the price I'm paying and have been for 6 months now. A service only costs what you are prepared to pay for it and what the supplier is prepared to take for it. I pointed out I could get the same service cheaper elsewhere, so they undercut that deal. It's not a time limited deal, it's the price I pay for my broadband. Even when the VAT went up, my price didn't.

[NitroNutter]

I think we need to get a few facts straight:

What virgin may or may not have got away with in the past is totally irrelevant to the current topic, however I will add that all too often the more times something potentially dishonest is attempted the more chances you have of both getting caught and investigated further for past dishonesty. The changing of the trading name also does not limit the potential consequences of past actions, however the statute of limitations may apply in certain case types.

The issue here has no relevance to what other providers charge for their services or what additional services are required in order to enable third party services, so trying to add what BT may charge for line rental into this equation is irrelevant.

The comparison that is relevant is the price differences between virgin media packages and them alone. I have presented the brochure to various members of my family which consists of a wide variety of proffessional personal from lawyers both retired prosecution and defence, accountants one of which works for a contracter who is brought in to uncover fraudulent type anomolies in particular within the petroleum industry. Each time I have made emphasis for them to pay particular attention to the two paragraphs quoted within posts in this thread, and then asked them what they believe should be available and the answer is the same every time, Virgin media is offering Broadband and their package prices are available without a landline cheaper because the cost of having a landline is not nessecary.

When I then go on to state that most of virgins own package levels which exclude a landline are in fact dearer than those with a landline they either look at me in total disbelief or utter such expressions that are to be frank unrepeatable on a public forum. There is only one package level available on virgin that presents any saving what so ever if taken without a phone line and in comparison to virgins quoted prices for a landline that discount is so insignificant it is nothing short of an insult. As the brochure does not declare that such a saving is only available on the lowest level of broadband that is indicative that such a saving should be available on all broadband levels however that also is not the case. What may be common practices in business like discounting for taking multiple products or services becomes unacceptable when such pricing strategies does does not concur with what is promoted on any medium, be it on TV to posted spam, also just because other companies may go unoticed commiting such offences does not mean yours will, I also challenge anyone to bring to my attention who may be advertising products and services where by a single product or service is generally dearer than the total cost of multiple products or services. I very much doubt this is common place in which case at least virgin did get one thing right on the brochure and thats the bubble with the claim "only on Virgin Media"

Finally who is not listening to who is but a moot point, you may dislike me or my views and opinions all you want, that does not make me incorrect, you are welcome to read what you want how you want but what is put in print or other mediums when advertising and promoting products and services including basic pricing strategies should be viewed in a literal sense and as such have to be available otherwise the promotion is misleading and potentially false, furthermore it does not matter where you are or whose time you are in, when you are speaking on behalf of the company you work for like it or not you are representative to that company and how you behave outside of work time counts as much as when in the workplace, I think Tiger woods will attest to this and his misdemeanors are not really related in any way to his proffession except for the fact that he is no longer capable of scoring a hole in one.

Victor Meldrew had one foot in the grave, in my experience in life, when it comes to money there is no such thing as friends or an honest company, as Mr Meldrew was retired during his heyday I am at least 20 years the younger but as my life was taken a good 35 years ago, I can and will complain how and when I like and I can asure you all, you have done nothing but to ensure I make this particular complaint official as I have generally been met with nothing but bad attitude, which relates in particular to those purporting to be employess of virgin media and a total failure of showing me how I can take a virgin broadband package that is free of a landline on all broadband levels which is cheaper in cost to those that incorporate a landline.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

When I then go on to state that most of virgins own package levels which exclude a landline are in fact dearer than those with a landline

As has been pointed out several times - they aren't

To have BB L and a landline costs £3.50 more than BB L by itself. It's £1 a month more for BB XL and XXL with landline than by themselves

Whether you feel this enough or not is irrelevant - the fact is it doesn't cost more to have broadband by itself than it does for Broadband plus landline

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Snipped for all our sakes.

Move on.. you lost the "argument" a long time ago...lifes too short

[Stephen]

I shall finish off posting in this thread by stating what everyone else has been telling you. The price you see for ADSL never includes a land line cost but you have to factor that in to the monthly total cost.

However VM cable modems don't need a land line so the price you see is what you pay. It has nothing to getting it cheaper its just showing you that you don't need to pay anything else on top.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by NitroNutter

When I then go on to state that most of virgins own package levels which exclude a landline are in fact dearer than those with a landline I make this particular complaint official as I have generally been met with nothing but bad attitude, which relates in particular to those purporting to be employess of virgin media and a total failure of showing me how I can take a virgin broadband package that is free of a landline on all broadband levels which is cheaper in cost to those that incorporate a landline.

I find your comments to be strange as for one you appear not to have even really looked at the site and compared prices.

I took literally seconds to find out that if I take size L broadband and a phone line I would be paying £23.50 after 2 months, but if I just looked lower down the page I found that I could have the broadband as a standalone package for £20 after 3 months.

I rather think that your argument is lost as you obviously did not look very far to come to your conclusion.

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/webs...uct.do?id=3264

[newbie1001]

Paying £18.20 with o2 and BT at moment for Broadband + Landline come December that will drop to £17 when i can take the o2 Home Phone package so even with the Landline it is still cheaper than anything Virgin can do and the £17 is without any discounts so it could be even cheaper. True 8MB maximum but on LLU that has no FUP so at time is quicker than "Virgins Superfast" Broadband once the FUP kicks in. Also most who go to L Broadband are probably paying for a service they do not need but Virgin do not give them a choice of a smaller service anymore.

You might not need a landline with ADSL but when you can a package cheaper with it then who cares

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by newbie1001

Paying £18.20 with o2 and BT at moment for Broadband + Landline come December that will drop to £17 when i can take the o2 Home Phone package so even with the Landline it is still cheaper than anything Virgin can do and the £17 is without any discounts so it could be even cheaper. True 8MB maximum but on LLU that has no FUP so at time is quicker than "Virgins Superfast" Broadband once the FUP kicks in. Also most who go to L Broadband are probably paying for a service they do not need but Virgin do not give them a choice of a smaller service anymore.

You might not need a landline with ADSL but when you can a package cheaper with it then who cares

I'd check that. I was under the impression that all the O2 packages had a fair use policy, but the Be packages did not (which is why they cost slightly more).

[tehazza]

nitro you cannot base comparison upon the 12 month contract giving you 2 free months. if i say pick any arbitary number of months above 12 it will show over time the average price per month will converge to the price which is a quid cheaper.

also if you use your way of thinking say if you get BT broadband and phone i am sure this is a 18 month contact so this costs more

stop moaning your knackers of the advertisement is clearly showing that the cable broadband does not need a landline compared to adsl where a landline is compulsary.

the price IS a quid cheaper without the phone service than with also.