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China- Freedom of speech is <mod edit: Censored>
One for you Punky!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4647398.stm
freedom of speech at its best again!
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25-01-2006, 21:12
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Re: China- Freedom of speech is <mod edit: Censored>
Chris there is unfortunately nothing that you can do about this...I wish I could have firewall like the chinese have got up and running tho (NOT)
I was watching Channel4 news earlier on and John Snow gave 1 of the guys from Google a proper nice grilling always fun to watch
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25-01-2006, 21:31
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Re: China- Freedom of speech is <mod edit: Censored>
Anyone still think Google is a nice, fluffy, organisation?
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25-01-2006, 21:43
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Re: China- Freedom of speech is <mod edit: Censored>
While i wish it didnt happen, they had a choice between no google or google. They at least will tell when something has been censored and will not offer email cos of what yahoo did
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25-01-2006, 21:46
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Re: China- Freedom of speech is <mod edit: Censored>
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Anyone still think Google is a nice, fluffy, organisation?
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Hey now, supporting opression and trampling over the human rights of over a billion people is something to be proud of. 
I'm actually kinda torn on this. Google are a private company, they can do what the hell they like legally and I support that.... but its not really a decent, ethical nor moral thing to do.
It is peverse though. Google was co-founded by a Russian Jew. You'd think state oppression and censorship was something he'd be touchy about supporting.
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25-01-2006, 21:48
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Re: China- Freedom of speech is <mod edit: Censored>
I think theres a difference between complying and supporting
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25-01-2006, 21:52
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I think theres a difference between complying and supporting
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Yeah, complying is mandatory and supporting is voluntary. They are going into China vountarily, mainly because of money.
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25-01-2006, 21:58
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Yeah, complying is mandatory and supporting is voluntary. They are going into China vountarily, mainly because of money.
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No doubt about it. One the biggest countrys in the world. Google dont want to miss out on that
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25-01-2006, 22:07
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Anyone still think Google is a nice, fluffy, organisation?
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Hey now, supporting opression and trampling over the human rights of over a billion people is something to be proud of.
I'm actually kinda torn on this. Google are a private company, they can do what the hell they like legally and I support that.... but its not really a decent, ethical nor moral thing to do.
It is peverse though. Google was co-founded by a Russian Jew. You'd think state oppression and censorship was something he'd be touchy about supporting. |
Actually, I agree. As a private company, Google do have the right to do what they want (as long as it's legal). It's just I don't see how a company that was apparently set up to enable people to find information easily can justify censoring info to keep a government happy.
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25-01-2006, 22:07
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Actually, I agree. As a private company, Google do have the right to do what they want (as long as it's legal). It's just I don't see how a company that was apparently set up to enable people to find information easily can justify censoring info to keep a government happy.
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Simple. If they didnt then they would have been blocked all together.
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It's just I don't see how a company that was apparently set up to enable people to find information easily can justify censoring info to keep a government happy.
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I can see why... I just don't like it. Comes down to the all-mighty dollar (or in this case, the all-mighty yuan).
Google aren't short of a few bob. I think they could take the high ground, gain respect for it, and still manage to keep the wolves from the door.
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Re: China- Freedom of speech is <mod edit: Censored>
I think there is more about it....but okay if your saying bout Google in China and censorship...I can probably name another lovely company that does the same, the name start with Micro**** they do the same, and most probably every other company that wants to do business in China. and yes it comes down to the All might $$££€€€ and you name it.
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25-01-2006, 22:28
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I can see why... I just don't like it. Comes down to the all-mighty dollar (or in this case, the all-mighty yuan).
Google aren't short of a few bob. I think they could take the high ground, gain respect for it, and still manage to keep the wolves from the door.
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I dont think this is about the money now. I think they would prefere sticking up to China like you say but this is about the future. Google could be toppled if they missed out on such a large market.
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25-01-2006, 23:04
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Re: China- Freedom of speech is <mod edit: Censored>
Pepoe seem to be missing the point that china can block access to google completly.
What google have done is complied with the chinese request in order to provide a limited service.
The US is all freedom of speech and as such cannot impose such restrictions on google. I'm sure if google had its way it would want a 100% unrestricted service in china.
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25-01-2006, 23:58
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I think this isnt really a big issue. Everyone is waiting for Google to become what it always says it is not. This isnt it.
The truth is not that Google was free of use then they decide to add censorship. It was already being blocked though filters via The Great Firewall of China. This meant Google was going very slow and still had censorship.
Now, it still has censorship but it tells the user when it happens and it runs a lot faster
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