Has the Phorm threat finally died??

[basa]

Cos there seems precious little discussion about it here.

Whilst to me it is a VERY important issue which could ultimately affect us all, I don't expect this thread to last very long since it seems a taboo subject at CF nowadays.

[Cobbydaler]

As previously posted:

Originally Posted by Russ B

We will be posting more about Phorm soon. We're in the process of sifting through all the crap from that thread and posting a sticky with all the relevant information from it.

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What we don't want is for any new discussion to descend to the level of acrimony and, frankly, paranoid speculation that the mega thread did.

[basa]

Originally Posted by Kevin T

As previously posted:

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What we don't want is for any new discussion to descend to the level of acrimony and, frankly, paranoid speculation that the mega thread did.

A subject like Phorm is IMO so important it is bound to raise the temperature in any discussion and will always produce speculation. Even now I am thinking why are CF dragging thier heels over such an important issue ? Years ago there would have been no capitulation.

We don't just need a bullet point facts sheet, we need heated discussion to raise passions to get this crap stopped, else we say goodbye to the internet.

In the meantime the passion is cooling off and Phorm are winning.

Get a thread going fast!!

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by basa

Get a thread going fast!!

Thread with facts YES

Threads full of tin foil hat theories as we have had in the last month NO.

The problem with Phorm threads is that at this time other than the test runs BT did in 06 and 07 there is NO isp running the system or actually testing in the UK (they intend to yes but testing now NO). This leads to speculation and down right wacky theories to keep the subject in the public eye's. you only have to look at the posts of some here in the last week or so to see what is going on.

I hate Phorm and everything it stands for, however until such time that VM start to use the bloody system i cannot see the point in tin foil hat theories being rehashed time and time again.

Meanwhile there will be the same posts about CF having been paid off and that CF not being interested in PHORM, Well that would be another stupid theory with no substance that just makes a mockery of all the hard work done so far to highlight Phorm.

[Maggy J]

Originally Posted by basa

A subject like Phorm is IMO so important it is bound to raise the temperature in any discussion and will always produce speculation. Even now I am thinking why are CF dragging thier heels over such an important issue ? Years ago there would have been no capitulation.

We don't just need a bullet point facts sheet, we need heated discussion to raise passions to get this crap stopped, else we say goodbye to the internet.

In the meantime the passion is cooling off and Phorm are winning.

Get a thread going fast!!

A mega thread didn't work.It was extremely hard to moderate because of so many people NOT paying attention to the T&Cs and so many NOT according those that see no harm in Phorm or at least wanted to discuss it in a moderate manner being flamed and abused.That many failed to see that a neutrally moderated forum has to remain neutral and even handed to both sides because that is what an independent site like CF maintains it's reputation on.

Also I really cannot bear the idea that the moderators are not allowed to have and express an opinion about a subject like this..whichever side of the debate they are on.

debate noun 1 a formal discussion, often in front of an audience, in which two or more people put forward opposing views on a particular subject. 2 any general discussion on a subject, not necessarily in one place or at one time. verb (debated, debating) tr & intr 1 to hold or take part in a formal discussion on a particular topic, often in front of an audience. 2 to consider the arguments for or against something. debatable or debateable adj doubtful; able to be argued about; uncertain. debater noun someone who takes part in a debate. debating noun formal discussion of a question. open to debate not certain or agreed; in doubt.
ETYMOLOGY: 13c: from French debatre to discuss.

Thus in a debate both sides present their views.If they don't then it is NOT a debate.

[cookie_365]

Maybe we could have a thread where you can only post if you have a certain level of reputation, been a member for a certain length of time, have a certain number of previous posts?

Don't know if it's technically possible mind you

[Rob]

Firstly Phorm is not a taboo subject. Cable Forum will be reopening discussion on Phorm related issues in due course. There will probably be a number of threads, each dealing with a specific aspect of the issue. The Cable Forum Team is compiling the information to commence each thread, but this is a lengthy process, due to the amount of stuff needinig to be sifted..

Phorm is an important issue. We will be allowing full discussion to take place, once the threads have been started with a clear framework to enable subsequent debate. We are very clear that discussion will be for everybody, whatever their viewpoint. We will not be allowing an outspoken minority to disrupt and "rule the roost", as happened last time round. One only has to look at parts of the mega thread to see how in fact it was the actions of a few so called anti phorm campaigners that played into Phorm's hands by continued inappropriate posts, despite many warnings.

We will not need to be excercising censorship based on previous post count, reputation, or similar. That is not our style, and indeed it becomes quite impractical as it would no doubt affect other postings abilities too.

It is my understanding that the Cable Forum Team members are generally against the idea of Phorm. On that basis any insinuation that we have capitulated, or whatever is frankly rediculous.

I'm closing this thread, since the Cable Forum Position is clear. We will be getting new threads started as soon as we are able, and there is something substantive, rather than speculative to debate.

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by Rob

It is my understanding that the Cable Forum Team members are generally against the idea of Phorm. On that basis any insinuation that we have capitulated, or whatever is frankly rediculous.

As far as Im aware, all of the team dislike the idea of phorm, Im not aware of anyone who does.

However, what we disliked much more was the minority of posters who thought they could take the mickey out of us and our forum, breaking our rules and trying to tell us how we should run things. Thats what finally got the thread closed. They have only themselves to blame and since then I havent seen much activity on their own forum. They have lost out, not us.

As Rob says, we will have new threads as and when time permits, and something useful can be talked about. Just remember that the prime focus of CF is Virgin Media, and at the moment there is nothing more than rumours to talk about, VM are not using phorm atm.