Why is music piracy so bad?

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by kronas

ok so if you had it your way i would not be able to download a track... ok in that case every CD i just bought over the past few months (with the exception of one) can all go back, and yes im buying no more CD's or using any legitimate means im not prepared to waste money on something that MAY turn out to be utter tosh!

you hear one song on some albums the rest can be drivel, i want to hear the rest before making a purchase.

There's nothing stopping you using a paid for download service that offers free previews of each track.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Bifta

There's nothing stopping you using a paid for download service that offers free previews of each track.

i had a look in to a few they all wanted card details, im not prepared to go in to the hassle of canceling something after the trial expires.....

i know how some compaines work and im not willing to commit myself to a service like that.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by kronas

i had a look in to a few they all wanted card details, im not prepared to go in to the hassle of canceling something after the trial expires.....

And there's the crux of it .. it's less hassle to steal.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Bifta

And there's the crux of it .. it's less hassle to steal.

stealing ? i dont i have the CD's to prove that.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by kronas

stealing ? i dont i have the CD's to prove that.

If you walked into a shop, picked up a CD and walked out with it, without paying, it's theft, if you went back the next day to pay for it because you liked it, it's still theft, you still committed the act of stealing.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Bifta

If you walked into a shop, picked up a CD and walked out with it, without paying, it's theft, if you went back the next day to pay for it because you liked it, it's still theft, you still committed the act of stealing.

im sick of the pathetic analogys, this is diffarent the content is there, people either choose to use p2p or not its the persons choice some buy some dont, its a fact, learn to deal with facts and stick with the subject instead of using baseless analogys, each case has its merits, yes if you download and dont buy its wrong, however if you download and buy there is nothing wrong with that.

another CD sale, more money for the record company and artist.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by kronas

im sick of the pathetic analogys, this is diffarent the content is there, people either choose to use p2p or not its the persons choice some buy some dont, its a fact, learn to deal with facts and stick with the subject instead of using baseless analogys, each case has its merits, yes if you download and dont buy its wrong, however if you download and buy there is nothing wrong with that.

another CD sale, more money for the record company and artist.

You're sick of them because you have absolutely no argument to counter the basic fact that you stole something, regardless of whether it was there for you to steal or not. Not for one minute did I say it was wrong to steal them, though, in principal obviously it is but as usual you get all childish, if you can't hold a mature conversation, do us all a favour and shut up.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Bifta

You're sick of them because you have absolutely no argument to counter the basic fact that you stole something

stole what ? yes according to the all revealing RIAA who remember are looking to make money as well, introducing measures to defend 'their clients'

Originally Posted by Bifta

regardless of whether it was there for you to steal or not. Not for one minute did I say it was wrong to steal them, though, in principal obviously it is

it is stealing if you download and dont buy simply put.

Originally Posted by Bifta

but as usual you get all childish, if you can't hold a mature conversation, do us all a favour and shut up.

im not the one telling people to shut up or calling them childish so you decide which one of us is, im just having a debate.

cant handle it ?

come up with better arguments come back to me then.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by kronas

stole what ? yes according to the all revealing RIAA who remember are looking to make money as well, introducing measures to defend 'their clients'

According to the police who the RIAA wished, would arrest you, according to the court, who would convict you.

it is stealing if you download and dont buy simply put.

No, it's stealing whether you buy the CD or not.

im not the one telling people to shut up or calling them childish so you decide which one of us is, im just having a debate.

You are childish, and I said, if you'd like to re-read, if you can't hold a mature conversation then shut up, you've obviously not managed to master either of them, perhaps you should have another go.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Bifta

According to the police who the RIAA wished, would arrest you, according to the court, who would convict you.

the people they have convicted so far are parents whos children were downloading music, they thought it was not a problem until they saw that it was many people dont realise that its wrong.

Originally Posted by Bifta

No, it's stealing whether you buy the CD or not.

just because the RIAA says it is ?

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by kronas

just because the RIAA says it is ?

No, because the British judicial system say's it is.

[Stuart C]

Originally Posted by kronas

i had a look in to a few they all wanted card details, im not prepared to go in to the hassle of canceling something after the trial expires.....

i know how some compaines work and im not willing to commit myself to a service like that.

Most online music stores don't actually charge anything to the card unless you buy a track. The two I have tried are MSN Music Club (powered by OD2 so all OD2 services should be the same) and iTunes. I have to admit, I was a bit wary of giving OD2 my card details, but Apple had them already as I have purchased stuff online at the Apple Store, so although I needed to re-enter them, I felt safe.

In answer to everyone else: Have you ever taped anything from the Radio or TV because, although tolerated, I think that is still counted as theft?

Originally Posted by Bifta

No, it's stealing whether you buy the CD or not.

Actually, I looked up the copyright act a while back, and as I understand it, but downloading music isn't actually considered theft, but is considered to be recieving stolen goods. It's still illegal, so I am just being picky.

[kronas]

Originally Posted by Bifta

No, because the British judicial system say's it is.

and they have actually prosecuted for this

next you will be telling me you never copied a CD or downloaded an mp3 in your life

Originally Posted by scastle

In answer to everyone else: Have you ever taped anything from the Radio or TV because, although tolerated, I think that is still counted as theft?

thats what i meant by the above.

[Stuart C]

Originally Posted by kronas

thats what i meant by the above.

Yep, was typing my post when you typed yours.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by kronas

and they have actually prosecuted for this

Not that I know of in this country, [Mod Edit(Nemesis): Inflammatory Comments Removed].

next you will be telling me you never copied a CD or downloaded an mp3 in your life

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