Hell and the Bible

[Damien]

Sorry to bring up yet another topic on the Bible and religion in general but I could not find answers to these questions online.

My question is bascially how much about hell and the devil is in the bible and how much has been added (invented?) afterwards? For example, is hell even mentioned in the bible and what references are there to the devil (if he is even refered into as 'the devil')?

It is such a common theme but I am unsure exactly what its roots are.

Also is there any agreement on hell and the devil from other faiths?

[Kliro]

Interesting one there.

I don't recall there being explicit mention of heaven and hell referenced to in the bible as places, more as descriptions of being.

The devil is meant to be God's fallen angel.

I'm sure every religion has its 'scary bits' to keep you believing 'just in case'

Hell does not exist simple as and is not mentioned in the bible. Hades and Gehenna are mention but these are refered to as waiting places.IE waiting for the ressurection.The devil is an angel who helped in the creation and he saw God getting all the praise and was jealous,but he wasnt cast out of heaven straight away he still had influence.
Incidentially Micheal is the first angel God created and he later become Jesus.Everything in creation after Micheal God didnt do alone

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Damien

Sorry to bring up yet another topic on the Bible and religion in general but I could not find answers to these questions online.

Well...it HAS been a few weeks

Originally Posted by Damien

My question is bascially how much about hell and the devil is in the bible and how much has been added (invented?) afterwards? For example, is hell even mentioned in the bible and what references are there to the devil (if he is even refered into as 'the devil')?

Depends on who you speak to of course but none of the Bible has been 'added' to or 'invented'.

The devil (or as he's referred to in the Bible "Satan", "the serpent", "Lucifer") appears often, for example he's in the Garden of Eden as the serpent who tempts Eve, in the Book of Job God allows him to mess with Job's life to test his faith, also he tried to tempt Jesus when he goes in to the wilderness for 40 days and nights ("I will give you this whole kingdom if you kneel before me etc") - these are just a few examples, he appears in other places too.

Hell is never described directly - but vicariously Jesus describes how bad it is by talking about how wonderful heaven is.

Originally Posted by Damien

Also is there any agreement on hell and the devil from other faiths?

Not sure....I believe Islam makes some referrences and of course Judaism cites satan too.

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

The devil is an angel who helped in the creation and he saw God getting all the praise and was jealous,but he wasnt cast out of heaven straight away he still had influence.

That's just about it - he was cast to earth and given limited powers here.

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Incidentially Micheal is the first angel God created and he later become Jesus.

Really.....

Yeah mate
To make my desision on religion I researched a lot of faiths and had bible studies with various different religions. Catholic Cof E Born again christians Mormons and Jehovahs witnesses.Out of all of these religions the Jehovas Witnesses are the only ones that put masses and masses of time and money into researching historically the facts from the time and of course translations of the scriptures. Now I know they get bad press because of the blood issue and knocking on doors but they are the only religion that whole heartedly try to live the closest to Gods word out of all of them.I comend them for it.
In the end the bible says there is only 1 true religion and all the rest are basically doing Satans work so to make it easy I follow none and just rest in my opwn faith

The bible says Jesus is Gods only Begotten son.For this to be true everything else that exists could not just have been created by God
(deffinition of begotten)

[Russ]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

The bible says Jesus is Gods only Begotten son.For this to be true everything else that exists could not just have been created by God
(deffinition of begotten)

That's taking things off topic and I'm sure we can discuss it if such a thread comes up but I'll be honest and say that is an extremely flawed premise.

[Salu]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Incidentially Micheal is the first angel God created and he later become Jesus.Everything in creation after Micheal God didnt do alone

This is simply not true. What makes you think this? Have you a reference?

[Russ]

That's off-topic Timbo....

The biggest flaw in modern christianity is the trinity how many of you believe that nonsense?

http://www.antiochian.org/archangel_michael

God gave Micheal the job of defeating satan. The bible also states the refering to Jesus and Satan" he will bruise him in the head whilst you will bruise him in the heel"
does this not give you reason to assume that Jesus is also fighting Satan? and If Micheal is the angel given the job is it not also ok to assume they could be one and the same?
Is it unreasonabel to assume that Jesus was an angel in heaven and did not just exist beforehand? When Jesus was bestowed with holy spirit did he not from that point have the knowledge of who he was and where he come from?
I forget my studies but I will find the references you need

[Russ]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

The biggest flaw in modern christianity is the trinity how many of you believe that nonsense?

I'm one of them, and please don't call my beliefs 'nonsense', you don't have to share my view but at least be respectful about it.

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I forget my studies but I will find the references you need

As I said earlier, this is off topic seeing as the thread is about if/how the devil is mentioned in the Bible.

Any further off-topic posts will be removed.

If you have a seperate issue you want to discuss, feel free to start a relevant thread on it.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

In Islam the origin of the devil is as follows: When God created Adam he commanded all his angels to bow before Adam. Iblis (one of the angels) did not and as a result he was outcast from God's kingdom. As a result Iblis responded by declaring it his mission to turn people away from God and his religion (i.e Islam).
We also believe in hell and heaven and additionally punishment in the grave. Basically up until the day of Judgement all dead people are punished in the grave for their wrong doings in this world while they were alive (eg - those who went against islam etc etc). on the day of judgement those that have committed more sin go to hell, the rest heaven. That is basically it in a concise nutshell.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

In Islam the origin of the devil is as follows: When God created Adam he commanded all his angels to bow before Adam. Iblis (one of the angels) did not and as a result he was outcast from God's kingdom. As a result Iblis responded by declaring it his mission to turn people away from God and his religion (i.e Islam).

Some similarities with us lot then

Originally Posted by Russ D

I'm one of them, and please don't call my beliefs 'nonsense', you don't have to share my view but at least be respectful about it.

Quite right and I apoligise for my lack of respect

[Graham M]

All religions are similar in one way or another

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

lots russ..... additonally contrary to a lot of popular belief hell is not just reserved for non muslims and heaven for muslims. Im quite certain that all followers of the books of God (depending on how well they followed the books) have places in heaven eg jews and christians. Idol worshippers and non believers (of God, not islam) are 'guaranteed' a place in hell.

Before a non believer jumps on me, this is just an interpretation of the religion, in answer to the original post and further posts.