Cashpoints running Windows

**Stuart** · 26-11-2003, 13:13

Certain banks (the Nationwide being one) are now using Windows as the Operating System for Cashpoints. Now, don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Windows but I am slightly worried by this. After all, more Windows security holes get discovered than other O/s s. Do you really want that kind of OS handling your cash?

Have a look at http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...anded&sb=5&o=0 for further discussion.

MrSums · 26-11-2003, 13:26

Walking through Heathrow a couple of weeks ago, I noticed a couple of the announcement boards "rebooting" back into Windows. Its pretty endemic, I am afraid

MrSums

Scarlett · 26-11-2003, 13:30

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Originally Posted by MrSums

Walking through Heathrow a couple of weeks ago, I noticed a couple of the announcement boards "rebooting" back into Windows. Its pretty endemic, I am afraid

MrSums

We noticed that all the tills at centerparcs in suffolk (the one they just rebuilt) now run win95 embedded

**Stuart** · 26-11-2003, 13:56

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Originally Posted by MrSums

Walking through Heathrow a couple of weeks ago, I noticed a couple of the announcement boards "rebooting" back into Windows. Its pretty endemic, I am afraid

MrSums

A couple of years back, they replaced the platform monitors in the ticket hall at East Croydon station with plasma screens running off PCs.

I went in one day, and at least half of them were showing BIOS screens announcing that the PC had 64 Meg of RAM and was suffering a system disk failure..

TigaSefi · 26-11-2003, 13:57

Win95 ? wierd.... in London Victoria Station in the shops section upstairs above platform 17 they use Windows 2000 Professional to run the music videos and one particular occasion, it ran out of memory or sumthing so you had windows showing an error msg on 15 screens or so lol.

26-11-2003, 14:07

Windows 95 cannot handle the virtual memory to stay up for that long. Thats if they expect people to use it that is.

On another note I tried one of those picture booths the other day. It crashed. I told the guys who opened it up and that was running Linux (redhat) lol
After a reboot it was okay again but just goe's to show

**Chris** · 26-11-2003, 15:02

I saw a fortune teller machine at an amusement arcade that had crashed - it was running Mac OS 7!

SMHarman · 26-11-2003, 15:11

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Originally Posted by scastle

Certain banks (the Nationwide being one) are now using Windows as the Operating System for Cashpoints. Now, don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Windows but I am slightly worried by this. After all, more Windows security holes get discovered than other O/s s. Do you really want that kind of OS handling your cash?

Have a look at http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...anded&sb=5&o=0 for further discussion.

Last time i saw one like this and put my card in it the machine actually worked and dispensed cash. It just had a big grey box you had to navigate around. Probably not much good to view you balance on screen , but fine to extract ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£50.

Security wise there are magic black scrambler boxes on the phone lines in and out of the ATMs and they connect into the banks cashpoint HQ. The ATM is not connected to a broadband internet connection AFAIK. The next gen I suppose will work over IP, but this will be the banks internal IP network, not the internet, thus protected by the bank firewalls.

**Stuart** · 26-11-2003, 15:16

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Originally Posted by towny

I saw a fortune teller machine at an amusement arcade that had crashed - it was running Mac OS 7!

Trust you to find a Mac!

:p

Bifta · 26-11-2003, 15:25

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Originally Posted by scastle

Certain banks (the Nationwide being one) are now using Windows as the Operating System for Cashpoints. Now, don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Windows but I am slightly worried by this. After all, more Windows security holes get discovered than other O/s s. Do you really want that kind of OS handling your cash?

Have a look at http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...anded&sb=5&o=0 for further discussion.

Nationwide have been using Windows NT4 on a lot of their cashpoints for years now.

SMHarman · 26-11-2003, 15:27

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Nationwide have been using Windows NT4 on a lot of their cashpoints for years now.

It also allows them to run the flash and shockwave advertising when not dispensing cash.

**Stuart** · 26-11-2003, 15:39

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Originally Posted by SMHarman

Security wise there are magic black scrambler boxes on the phone lines in and out of the ATMs and they connect into the banks cashpoint HQ. The ATM is not connected to a broadband internet connection AFAIK. The next gen I suppose will work over IP, but this will be the banks internal IP network, not the internet, thus protected by the bank firewalls.

Actually, somebody managed to infect two ATMs in America. These then began aggresively scanning for further victims. In the process, they tripped the Intrusion Detection Systems and were cut off..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/34175.html

SMHarman · 26-11-2003, 16:00

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Originally Posted by scastle

Actually, somebody managed to infect two ATMs in America. These then began aggresively scanning for further victims. In the process, they tripped the Intrusion Detection Systems and were cut off..

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/34175.html

Perhaps they should be using this on their ATMs

http://www.tripwire.com/products/net...ices/index.cfm

swooph · 26-11-2003, 16:29

Hey,

If you ever have your hair cut in Toni&Guy hairdressers and watch 'Toni&Guy TV' in the salon, you may often see the Windows XP Embedded PC's reboot! I know this cause I used to install and support them for Toni&Guy!

Lee

Tricky · 26-11-2003, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Bifta

Nationwide have been using Windows NT4 on a lot of their cashpoints for years now.

As have many other banks, I think it's a requirement from NCR (provide most of the ATM internal systems - At massive costs!)
It's great when you get a blue screen!