Thread about the Universe

clarie · 29-08-2005, 00:18

Ok the thread about God led to discussions on the universe and in order for that thread not to go too off-topic I thought we could have a thread about the universe. I would really like to hear other peoples' thoughts on those questions we will never get our heads round. Like the infinity thing. How can that be?? What I really can't get my round is the spatial aspect of it, rather than the temporal. What was there before the universe. If there was nothing, what is nothing? And how could something have been created from nothing??

dilligaf1701 · 29-08-2005, 00:28

I just sat and typed a whole load of stuff about this - but realised it was complete rubbish - so had to delete it - sorry

I can't even begin to imagine a way to describe the 'nothing' before the universe came into being.

I suppose it all hinges on HOW you believe the universe came into being.

But this isn't a religious thread so the less said about that the better.

clarie · 29-08-2005, 00:32

I just find it so fascinating. I am also interested in theories on time travel, especially since I saw a programme that suggested ways that it could actually become a reality. The following link leads to an interesting site that raises questions about time travel, and although it concludes that it is quite far-fetched, the issues it raises are interesting.

http://temporal_science.tripod.com/

handyman · 29-08-2005, 00:33

The way I see things is the universe is massive. The planets and stars go through a neverending cycle.

ie galaxies collapse into black holes, black holes collapse into larger black holes. Eventually you have 1 big black hole that is unstable as it has all of the universe's mass then it goes bang and cools down. Gas forms planets and stars and these form galaxies which become to big and collapse into black holes......

rinse repeat as required :-)

Nikko · 29-08-2005, 00:34

The universe is a small grain of sand in a moment in time within eternity, which in itself is withiin an obscure part of infinity.

Its indefineable really, as there is no relativity on which one can base analysis.

29-08-2005, 00:34

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Originally Posted by clarie

Ok the thread about God led to discussions on the universe and in order for that thread not to go too off-topic I thought we could have a thread about the universe. I would really like to hear other peoples' thoughts on those questions we will never get our heads round. Like the infinity thing. How can that be?? What I really can't get my round is the spatial aspect of it, rather than the temporal. What was there before the universe. If there was nothing, what is nothing? And how could something have been created from nothing??

Wow Clarie, deep thoughts there eh?
Maybe science can't give 100% answers, we might be sometimes best to mix the spiritual and scientific, as I was once told the universe is a sphere, one of 7, they in turn were in a white holding universe. (this from an old guy I went to hear talk, in a meeting on the subject of Spiritualism of all things in Chester).
Other minds from the Science angle say all we are now was created by accident in a war by higher beings, (so called big bang theory) in a new twist.
Truth is, untill our minds evolve along with our science, we'll have to wait for all the answers.

clarie · 29-08-2005, 00:37

Maybe our entire universe is actually just an atom that forms part of another, much larger universe.

Got that idea from the intro to an episode of The Simpsons.

Could be though...

dilligaf1701 · 29-08-2005, 00:37

Ahhh, now time travel theorys and ideas I'm interested in. I have my own theorys on time travel, what I believe about it makes people think I'm a bit nuts tho.

Still - What I believe is that time travel already happens (and has happened in the past - and future).

Now - these time travellers don't autmotacally KNOW they've travelled in time.

I look on it like they're caught up in a 'bubble' of time.

Sometimes other people see them and THIS is how we percieve SOME 'ghosts'

Anyway, that's just my OPINION (most times I tell it people go off on one).

Dilli.

29-08-2005, 00:38

the thing i find the most immense is that the atoms in my body were made in stars, and may have been 'recycled' many times - how that could end up with me having thoughts, or even writing them on the internet, is not clear ....

Nikko · 29-08-2005, 00:40

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Originally Posted by homealone

the thing i find the most immense is that the atoms in my body were made in stars, and may have been 'recycled' many times - how that could end up with me having thoughts, or even writing them on the internet, is not clear ....

Hence the expression ' carbon copy'

clarie · 29-08-2005, 00:44

Something else I find fascinating - life on other planets. Now I am a FIRM believer that there is life on other planets, and find it quite surprising when other people don't believe it. I reckon it's quite an (unintentionally) arrogant viewpoint, and I reckon there are aliens out there saying: "yep, that's right earthlings, yep you're the only planet out there with life it on. In the ENTIRE universe. Yeah you keep thinking that."

Halcyon · 29-08-2005, 00:45

Its funny you mention the universe as we were having a discussion with my friends about this just last night.
An idea put forward was that ants are very small and we are like massive to them. What about if we were like ants in comparison to another life form. Eg. Earth could be the size of an apple and other beings be absolutely massive. We might be the size of bacteria compared to others.

We spent ages and ages coming up with theories but then your head starts to hurt and you know its time to give up.

AndrewJ · 29-08-2005, 00:45

Or how we have deja veu could this be a link to alternative universes, where say in this one you chose to reply to this topic, and in another you chose not to, and in another you go banned after replying, and in another one you died while replying.

The lists and ends of the universes secrets are behond our wildest dreams of thoughts.

29-08-2005, 00:46

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Originally Posted by Nikko

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Originally Posted by homealone

the thing i find the most immense is that the atoms in my body were made in stars, and may have been 'recycled' many times - how that could end up with me having thoughts, or even writing them on the internet, is not clear ....

Hence the expression ' carbon copy'

it should be 'hydrogen copy'

Halcyon · 29-08-2005, 00:49

Then comes the question.....are our dreams in fact reality. Could daily life be fake and our dreams be the truth ?
Sometimes my dreams are so real its like I am actually there.
I often meet people and I want to know who they are in my dreams. Who decideds who I meet and what I dream about.....could we be being controlled through our minds.
(Ok I've watched too many movies) .