Are 'Thieving fare dodgers' any worse than downloaders?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

Might i remind you (once again) that the subject of this thread is about which laws people find morally acceptable to break.

Marty,

The subject of the thread is actually "Are 'Thieving fare dodgers' any worse than downloaders?" That is not the same as "which laws people find morally acceptable to break". DanielF even went as far as to narrow the scope of the question to "So what's 'thieving' exactly, and where does it start/stop to become acceptable?"

You, clearly, think your self acknowledged illegal activity ("thieving" - as defined by the context of the discussion as highlighted above) is acceptable on the basis that millions of other people like yourself have no moral scruples or understanding of right and wrong when it comes to depriving others of legitimate income in relation to their work.

Might I remind you - nobody forced you to admit to breaking the law. It appears to be something you wear as a badge of pride.

Originally Posted by martyh

Some people (millions in fact) find what i do acceptable ,some find parking on double yellow lines acceptable,or doing 35mph in a 30 zone, going to the extreme some even find murder acceptable .We all know these examples are illegal and we are breaking the law we are not ignorant of that fact .

More crucially pertinent to the discussion is the fact that the law does not find your behaviours acceptable - a fact that you yourself acknowledge. The fact that you admit to knowing you are breaking the law makes your supposed argument(s) even more futile - can you not see that?

Originally Posted by martyh

In your outrage at my confessed crimes against humanity you have totally missed the point of the thread and decided that personal attacks are the way forward when you are challenged and others don't see things from your perspective.

See above. It is clearly you who has "totally missed the point of the thread". What you may perceive as personal attacks are observations in relation to your stated position, nothing more. I'm sorry if you feel that they are attacks - they are certainly not intended as such. I am merely trying to encourage you to see the issue from another perspective. As for my "perspective" I am coming from a position of understanding the difference between right and wrong. What other perspective is there?

Despite how you might wish to attempt to deflect from my position Marty I'm not in any way "outraged" at all. I am however surprised at your supposedly adult position on the matter which in essence , correct me if I'm wrong, appears to be that you know your actions are illegal but you have convinced yourself that nobody is adversely affected by your actions and lots of others are doing it so it's ok for you to do it too.

Think about that for a moment Marty. Hypothetically, how would that line of defence be viewed if you were ever unfortunate enough to be find yourself before a court charged with copyright infringement?

I hope you'll forgive me for saying it but you appear to have a very adolescent attitude to a very serious issue. Your rationale appears to be the modern day equivalent of "Big boys made me do it and then they ran away".

Originally Posted by martyh

Yep ,Sanctuary,ice pilots ,Merlin(last weeks) fringe and a couple of american choppers ,all sitting on my lappy waiting to be watched ,all license fees/subscriptions paid for ,all programs have been transmitted so the advertising revenue has been paid so all i have to do now is battern down the hatches and wait for the lynch mob

At least according to you you're now downloading Merlin post broadcast.

[Fawkes]

What about people who eat mince pies on Christmas day?

Ignorance of the law is no defence

Link: http://www.pressbox.com/detailed/Ent...ay__46499.html

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Fawkes

What about people who eat mince pies on Christmas day?

Ignorance of the law is no defence

Link: http://www.pressbox.com/detailed/Ent...ay__46499.html

Myth-busted...

6. It is illegal to eat mince pies on Christmas Day
An Act of June 8 1647, declared that "forasmuch as the Feasts of the Nativity of Christ, Easter, and Whitsuntide, and other Festivals commonly called Holy-Days, have been heretofore superstitiously used and observed, be it Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, that the said Holy Days be no longer observed". Mince pies were not singled out. In 1657, the diarist John Evelyn was arrested at a forbidden Holy Communion service on Christmas Day and interrogated as to why he "durst offend, & particularly be at Common prayers, which they told me was but the Masse in English". The anti-Christmas laws of the interregnum lapsed at the restoration.

[techguyone]

I love seeing Mr A post.

[mikegreen]

It always astounds me, given the huge hit the TV companies worldwide are taking from all these millions of illegal downloads, how well paid the cast and crew of these productions are. And how many new TV shows are produced, by the same companies being so savagely ravaged by all those criminals indulging their whims.

I witnessed a whole street full of catering lorries serving up a myriad of international cuisines, traffic stopped for over two hours on one of the busiest roads in London, a great many crew aimlessly milling around doing not much of anything you might describe as work (but most certainly getting the £ or $). This all to film a tiny segment of Skyfire, the new 007 film. Which will get downloaded illegally many thousands, possibly millions of times....Don't see much deprivation of income going on there.

[Fawkes]

I think you mean Starfall not Starfire. According to the imdb this film has an estimated budget of $200,000,000. That's a lot of money the production company is spending, employing a large number of actors and support staff. Obviously they want a return on that investment so they can make the next film.
When you watch the credits roll on the copy you downloaded for free don't you feel the tiniest bit guilty that you contributed nothing to all those people that work for over a year so hopefully provided you with 2 hours of entertainment?

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Fawkes

I think you mean Starfall not Starfire.

I think you mean the next James Bond movie which is actually called Skyfall.

[Fawkes]

Originally Posted by Peter_

I think you mean the next James Bond movie which is actually called Skyfall.

/thanks brain!

That's why I shouldn't post at 01:14 in the morning.

[mikegreen]

SkyFAIL!

Fawkes - I'm not advocating piracy just stating a fact. The recession certainly is not being felt in TV and Cinema land which rather makes a lie as far as I can see of the whole piracy jeopardises (sp?) jobs.

[Angua]

So Mr Angry is the person who encourages the private parking companies by paying their invoices for disproportionate charges?