Studing my dog

alferret · 30-07-2011, 22:19

I was accosted whilst taking my pooch for a walk, the bloke & his missus asked if he was up for it (Hell I think so) & they asked how much I charge, now being a novice pimp I think I undersold my dogs virility & said £50.

I'm going over tomorrow to exchange details as their bitch will be in season in 3 weeks (they live across the road on a short tenancy) Am I underselling my pooch @ £50? He's proven with siring 2 litters, blue staff, 18" to withers & a solid 4st.

superbiatch · 30-07-2011, 22:25

I'd have negotiated pick of the litter and sell it. With papers you'd get about £350 for it

Bulky · 30-07-2011, 22:28

Yeah your underselling the stud fee as long as he is kc registered, your also adding to the huge amount of staffies in dog homes , are they registered breeders ? If he proven sire how come you don't know how much to charge ?

alferret · 30-07-2011, 22:41

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Originally Posted by Bulky

Yeah your underselling the stud fee as long as he is kc registered, your also adding to the huge amount of staffies in dog homes , are they registered breeders ? If he proven sire how come you don't know how much to charge ?

Ice (our staff) belonged to my ex-wife & kids he sired 2 litters that produced mainly white's, he's 6 & AFAIK still got it in him.
We got given him 6 weeks ago due to the kids & wife all moving on to places where pets are not allowed. It was the kennel or us & we chose to take him in.
He is not KC & the couple that asked are not by any stretch breeders, but Ice getting his rocks off & £50 in my pocket sounds good to me, Call me mercenary.

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Originally Posted by superbiatch

I'd have negotiated pick of the litter and sell it. With papers you'd get about £350 for it

Dont want pick, although I was offered, we really cant leave a pup\young dog at home alone for extended periods, A, Its not fair on the young'un. B, my missus wouldn't allow us to have a pup due to the above.

martyh · 30-07-2011, 22:41

[QUOTE=alferret;35280975]Ice (our staff) belonged to my ex-wife & kids he sired 2 litters that produced mainly white's, he's 6 & AFAIK still got it in him.
We got given him 6 weeks ago due to the kids & wife all moving on to places where pets are not allowed. It was the kennel or us & we chose to take him in.
He is not KC & the couple that asked are not by any stretch breeders, but Ice getting his rocks off & £50 in my pocket sounds good to me.[/QUOTE]

oh dear ,i hate to say it but it's that sort of irresponsible breeding that can ruin a breed

superbiatch · 30-07-2011, 22:46

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Originally Posted by alferret

Ice (our staff) belonged to my ex-wife & kids he sired 2 litters that produced mainly white's, he's 6 & AFAIK still got it in him.
We got given him 6 weeks ago due to the kids & wife all moving on to places where pets are not allowed. It was the kennel or us & we chose to take him in.
He is not KC & the couple that asked are not by any stretch breeders, but Ice getting his rocks off & £50 in my pocket sounds good to me.

That makes for a very different outcome then, I fear they may only end up with chav owners or worse still in the dogs trust kennels

I love staffies, they are my favourite breed but i'm a snob and would only ever have a KC registered one and breed with another. My 13 year old red has sired a few litters in his day but we always got the pick of the litter as our part of the deal. There are too many chavs out there waiting to train them to fight (its their heritage and still goes on in places) so i wouldn't sire any in your position and have my doggy bits cut off. Sorry if its not what you want to hear, but i'm sick of hearing how 'staffie type' dogs have attacked people and this is exactly how they come about

alferret · 30-07-2011, 22:50

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Originally Posted by martyh

oh dear ,i hate to say it but it's that sort of irresponsible breeding that can ruin a breed

Ice isn't pure so breeding him IMO isn't irresponsible.

But if that is the case, then can it be said many species across the globe are not pure bred?

martyh · 30-07-2011, 22:59

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Originally Posted by superbiatch

That makes for a very different outcome then, I fear they may only end up with chav owners or worse still in the dogs trust kennels

I love staffies, they are my favourite breed but i'm a snob and would only ever have a KC registered one and breed with another. My 13 year old red has sired a few litters in his day but we always got the pick of the litter as our part of the deal. There are too many chavs out there waiting to train them to fight (its their heritage and still goes on in places) so i wouldn't sire any in your position and have my doggy bits cut off. Sorry if its not what you want to hear, but i'm sick of hearing how 'staffie type' dogs have attacked people and this is exactly how they come about

well said ,totally agree

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Originally Posted by alferret

Ice isn't pure so breeding him IMO isn't irresponsible.

But if that is the case, then can it be said many species across the globe are not pure bred?

If ice isn't pedigree why are the other couple that interested in breeding from him and what will they be doing with the pups that is the question i would be asking and that is what i mean by irresponsible .Fighting dogs have to come from somewhere and as SB said above dog fighting is still very much a problem.It may be perfectly innocent but i would still be very cautious

alferret · 30-07-2011, 23:07

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Originally Posted by superbiatch

That makes for a very different outcome then, I fear they may only end up with chav owners or worse still in the dogs trust kennels

I love staffies, they are my favourite breed but i'm a snob and would only ever have a KC registered one and breed with another. My 13 year old red has sired a few litters in his day but we always got the pick of the litter as our part of the deal. There are too many chavs out there waiting to train them to fight (its their heritage and still goes on in places) so i wouldn't sire any in your position and have my doggy bits cut off. Sorry if its not what you want to hear, but i'm sick of hearing how 'staffie type' dogs have attacked people and this is exactly how they come about

I agree with what you have said SB, the fact is he will be going into be chipped & chopped in Sept so I guess this is his last real chance to "pop one out" so to speak.
I know that the breed is bred for fighting by far too many prats\chavs today & fighting goes on, but can I guarantee if I bred him with a reputed\known "normal" breeder that his offspring wont end up in the hands of some chav?
Its the owners that need vetting not the dog, IMO of course.
Also I would challenge anyone to come round here & try to get the rise out of Ice, he is the most laid back, docile, lazy, loving & kindest dog I have ever know, and although that only goes as far as my front door any dog from any breed has the ability to turn. My nan was attacked and quite severely mauled by a poodle! Go figure.

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Originally Posted by martyh

If ice isn't pedigree why are the other couple that interested in breeding from him and what will they be doing with the pups that is the question i would be asking and that is what i mean by irresponsible .Fighting dogs have to come from somewhere and as SB said above dog fighting is still very much a problem.It may be perfectly innocent but i would still be very cautious

I think its down to colour, the first thing they commented on was his colour.

Bulky · 30-07-2011, 23:08

Irresponsible ownership of a potentially dangerous breed and all for £50 ...... Wow times must be hard

, i suppose you don't care who the puppies are sold to either ...

Not pure bred , not registered breeders , and you say last chance to 'pop one out' , get a grip ..... Your 44 not 17

Just to add , all the registered breeders i have dealt with DO vet the owners

superbiatch · 30-07-2011, 23:11

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Originally Posted by alferret

I think its down to colour, the first thing they commented on was his colour.

Probably right, people are obsessed by blues but they don't realise they came about by inter-breeding and are prone to many problems, one being skin issues. A guy I know has one (Megan) and she's a lovely dog, but is riddled with skin issues and he pays the school of tropical medicine £200 a month to keep her excema at bay the poor thing

alferret · 30-07-2011, 23:24

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Originally Posted by Bulky

Irresponsible ownership of a potentially dangerous breed and all for £50 ...... Wow times must be hard

, i suppose you don't care who the puppies are sold to either ...

So letting a dog of a potentially dangerous breed, breed is irresponsible? Any breed of dog is capable of turning.
Also the human race is dangerous (as we can see across the globe) and in certain quarters are even more dangerous, so by allowing these "humans" to breed are the rest of us responsible for their actions? Do we as humans have more rights than other species? Just because we have MTV & Sky sports

As for your comment about the puppies, do I have a say? No! My dog could be a sperm donor & that is as far as it goes. Love me or hate me I wont roll over to the greater consensus, I was just offering a question in my opening post. Funny how high the horse grows with some people.

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Originally Posted by superbiatch

Probbaly right, people are obsessed by blues but they don't realise they came about by inter-breeding and are prone to many problems, one being skin issues. A guy I know has one (Megan) and she's a lovely dog, but is riddled with skin issues and he pays the school of tropical medicine £200 a month to keep her excema at bay the poor thing

I know of some pure KC staffs that have skin issues, its all in the genetics. But I can say he doesnt have skin issues or any other associated isses that the breed can suffer from.

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Originally Posted by Bulky

Not pure bred , not registered breeders , and you say last chance to 'pop one out' , get a grip ..... Your 44 not 17

Yup 44, with a 6 yr old staff. Who am I to say he cant "pop one out"?

superbiatch · 30-07-2011, 23:25

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Originally Posted by alferret

Any breed of dog is capable of turning.

This is very true, but unfortunately its usually staffies (or pit-bull type dogs as described by journalists) are involved in all the high press stories. Over breeding unfortunately only makes them more available to scum of the earth owners. As you say the owners are where the buck should stop, but who gets put down?

I'm not having a go at you here al, I'm just hoping by spreading the word we can salvage the once good name of staffies

martyh · 30-07-2011, 23:29

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Originally Posted by alferret

So letting a dog of a potentially dangerous breed, breed is irresponsible? Any breed of dog is capable of turning.
Also the human race is dangerous (as we can see across the globe) and in certain quarters are even more dangerous, so by allowing these "humans" to breed are the rest of us responsible for their actions? Do we as humans have more rights than other species? Just because we have MTV & Sky sports

As for your comment about the puppies, do I have a say? No! My dog could be a sperm donor & that is as far as it goes. Love me or hate me I wont roll over to the greater consensus, I was just offering a question in my opening post. Funny how high the horse grows with some people.

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I know of some pure KC staffs that have skin issues, its all in the genetics.

In the wild natural selection takes care of genetic disease it's forced breeding by humans that ensures that these problems get passed on to the next generation of dog

Bulky · 30-07-2011, 23:33

But humans make their own decisions , this is a domesticated species where the human makes the decision , in your case just for £50 in your back pocket , and yes you do have a say , don't breed him ..... Simple . Theres no horse growing , you asked the question , and now i have the full facts i can give my answer to your original question , no you did not undersell your dogs virility ..... Its not worth a carrot.
There are so many staffies in dogs trust homes its scary , your just adding to the problem , chavs do not tend to buy kc registered puppies at 300 to 600 a time especially when they have a homecheck, however a mutt that looks like a staffy is fair game for chavs.

Your supposed to be his owner to say he can't 'pop one out' , you may be rather immature for your age ?