the pope's new book

papa smurf · 21-11-2010, 09:21

the pope has a new book out this week in which he suggests
It's OK to wear a condom (in some cases), says Pope as he overturns thousands of years teaching by the Catholic Church

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz15uHXd1Qe

well that should help sales along -or is this a genuine gesture to help stop the spread of hiv .

Gary L · 21-11-2010, 10:07

Is this just for male on male?

papa smurf · 21-11-2010, 10:17

He gave the example of male prostitutes where, he said, using condoms to prevent the spread of AIDS could be seen as an act of moral responsibility, even though condoms were "not really the way to deal with the evil of HIV infection".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11804943

The British gay rights campaigner, Peter Tatchell, told the BBC the Pope's comments were significant but needed "clarification".

Gary L · 21-11-2010, 10:34

I don't understand why some people act as if they need his approval on this? at the end of the day (to me anyway) his opinion on things is just as worthy as mine.

martyh · 21-11-2010, 10:54

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The British gay rights campaigner, Peter Tatchell, told the BBC the Pope's comments were significant but needed "clarification".

Benedict replies: ‘She of course does not regard it as a real or moral solution, but, in this or that case, there can be nonetheless, in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.’ The Pope goes as far as mentioning the ‘ABC principle’ (Abstinence-Be faithful-Condom) on stopping the spread of AIDS.

not kidding is he

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I don't understand why some people act as if they need his approval on this? at the end of the day (to me anyway) his opinion on things is just as worthy as mine.

to some people though (catholics) he is the voice of god ,giving the will of god to the people so what he says goes

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seems to me that it is a veiled attack on homo sexuality ,blaming gay men soley for the spread of aids

papa smurf · 21-11-2010, 11:56

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Benedict replies: ‘She of course does not regard it as a real or moral solution, but, in this or that case, there can be nonetheless, in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality.’ The Pope goes as far as mentioning the ‘ABC principle’ (Abstinence-Be faithful-Condom) on stopping the spread of AIDS.

not kidding is he

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to some people though (catholics) he is the voice of god ,giving the will of god to the people so what he says goes

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seems to me that it is a veiled attack on homo sexuality ,blaming gay men soley for the spread of aids

seems to me its a gesture that's several decades too late

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martyh · 21-11-2010, 12:27

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seems to me its a gesture that's several decades too late

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definately ,horse,stabledoor,bolted springs to mind

danielf · 21-11-2010, 12:36

I think this is great news. The Vatican has finally entered the 18th Century

Peter_ · 21-11-2010, 13:28

I would not believe a word printed on behalf of the Vatican or the Pope as they will never change their embedded doctrines this millennium.

papa smurf · 21-11-2010, 13:32

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I would not believe a word printed on behalf of the Vatican or the Pope as they will never change their embedded doctrines this millennium.

i don't think i can wait 990 years to find out - but i see where your coming from.

budwieser · 21-11-2010, 15:22

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i don't think i can wait 990 years to find out - but i see where your coming from.

" but i see where your coming from. " Hope he`s wearing a condom........

gazzae · 21-11-2010, 20:32

got to love the BBC correspondant for this story - David Willey

**Maggy J** · 21-11-2010, 20:41

One would hope that someone offering advice on the complexities of life should have had some experiences of those complexities, otherwise their advice does become less meaningful to the recipient.

I welcome the Pope's new ruling(provided he doesn't back peddle at a later date) as a step in the right direction.

However I feel that it's not really heartfelt and is just a way to apologise for the poor dealings with the recent allegations and prosecutions against the priesthood.

Gary L · 21-11-2010, 20:45

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However I feel that it's not really heartfelt and is just a way to apologise for the poor dealings with the recent allegations and prosecutions against the priesthood.

He probably was thinking of them when he come up with the idea.

**Chris** · 21-11-2010, 22:00

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I don't understand why some people act as if they need his approval on this? at the end of the day (to me anyway) his opinion on things is just as worthy as mine.

Some people? That's the strangest way to some up 'about a billion' that I've ever seen.

I'm not one of the billion or so Catholics by the way, but he is the supreme head of the organisation for those that are. Many of them take their religion, and particularly their denomination's take on it, very seriously. It's no surprise a lot of them feel they need his 'approval'.

Incidentally, while your voice has just as much right to be heard, I'd instinctively attach more weight to someone's opinions about morality if I had cause to believe they held their views as a result of many years of study and deep contemplation.