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Old 05-02-2008, 23:27   #1
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Anyone working through an Umbrella company?

Hi all, wonder if I can pick the brains of the great gestalt entity that is Cable Forum for a moment ...

I am moving on to new employment shortly, and for the first time will be working as a freelance contractor, employed through an agency. I have to nominate how I want them to pay me. I can go on their payroll (as a PAYE employee), I can form my own company and have the agency make a contract for services with that company, or I can become employed by an umbrella company which will treat me as their PAYE employee, and the Umbrella will make a contract for services with the agency.

There are pros and cons of all the options - the biggest con of the first option is no means of treating travel to a remote location (i.e. the office where I'll be working) as a business expense. It's a very long and expensive commute by both road and rail so that one's out. That leaves me with either forming my own company (complex, but apparently better from a tax perspective) or joining an umbrella (least hassle, but less lucrative).

I am wondering whether we have any contractors on here, in IT or anything else, with experience of making this decision, working under the various methods, and in the case of Umbrella companies, which ones are good/bad?

I have Googled extensively this evening and joined a couple of relevant sites/forums, but as always it's nice to get the opinions of people you know and trust - and that's you lot.

So, any thoughts?
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Re: Anyone working through an Umbrella company?

I don't know the full in's and outs, but to trade as a company, I think you need to be able to demonstrate you have more than one client?
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Re: Anyone working through an Umbrella company?

Mr LM is the chap to advise on this matter. I've recently set-up a company but not for contracting it is a retail operation.
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Re: Anyone working through an Umbrella company?

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I can go on their payroll (as a PAYE employee).
As you say the least attractive but simplest route. Probably not the best option.
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I can form my own company and have the agency make a contract for services with that company.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/ir35/
Will help decide whether this is a problem for you.
Sounds like the original company would not be employing you whatever route so maybe an option.
Sole employeeship is not necessarily a problem now
http://www.itcontractor.com/Articles...19&photopage=0
This will be the most optimal route if you can as you can retain profits in the company at company tax rates, employ your wife in the company to do the invoicing, books and records etc and make use of her free pay allowances to again take more income from the company in a tax efficient manner. Potentially use the company to buy a company car for you. While you will now have a benefit in kind, the company will cover the car depreciation, the road tax, insurance etc all become deductions from the company profit.
You can also pay part of your pay in dividends, though
HMRC's v Geoff and Diane Jones of Arctic Systems aided by the Professional Contractors Group (HMRC lost) is something else to understand here.
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I can become employed by an umbrella company which will treat me as their PAYE employee, and the Umbrella will make a contract for services with the agency.
Umbrella rules have 24 month rules and 40% rules
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/EIM32106.htm
So be careful with that you will be able to claim some subsistance and some travel costs. These reduce your gross for tax and NI.
Both the latter options require better record keeping and documentation by you, though I think you are up to that task.
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Re: Anyone working through an Umbrella company?

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Mr LM is the chap to advise on this matter. I've recently set-up a company but not for contracting it is a retail operation.
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Re: Anyone working through an Umbrella company?

Not sure on the in's and out's, but if you were employed by the company (option 1) wouldnt you get more protection, eg redundancy etc.

If you set up your own company and get paid that way, couldnt they just terminate the contract and let you go as you are self-employed?
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Re: Anyone working through an Umbrella company?

I think the most lucrative way is to form a company. Then do something like put you and Mrs T as 50% shareholders each. Pay yourself a nominal amount (below high rate tax) and Mrs T something similar. Then any spare money gets paid as dividends at the end of the year.
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I think the most lucrative way is to form a company. Then do something like put you and Mrs T as 50% shareholders each. Pay yourself a nominal amount (below high rate tax) and Mrs T something similar. Then any spare money gets paid as dividends at the end of the year.
Which is great until the tax man comes and prosecutes you.
This is what happened with the Artic systems case as mentioned above - and although the tax man lost, they have closed the loop hole so there is no leeway in that area. Safest thing to do (unless you can actually prove your wife is doing work for the company) is to be the sole shareholder.

Personally I think setting up your own limited company is the best way, but bear in mind, you will be taxed every which way.

Firstly, you'll pay your self a salary from the company turnover - but your company will have to pay the company NI as well, as well as you paying your own NI on the salary you pay yourself, so you're looking at an extra 8% (or so - I forget the exact figure) of the salary you pay yourself, being taken from the company. (Your own salary will then be taxed)

Your comany will be taxed at 20% (they just put up the rate last year from 19% to 20%) on any profit it makes - so this is any money left after salary, NI, expenses, operating costs.

When you pay yourself dividends, they will be taxed as well, at 22.5% if you are a lower rate tax payer, or 32.5% if you are a higher rate tax payer (bearing in mind the limit for higher tax is only about 38k - and you can hit that quite easily paying yourself dividends).

.. but it's not all doom and gloom.

Firstly, you've got expenses, put whatever you can through the company.
Current rules are that you are allowed to claim regular travel to and from (mileage & public transport/taxis) , including parking costs, for your place of work for 2 years - you can carry on claiming after that, if you move sites, providing that the new site is 5 miles + away.
You can also stick through your accountant fees, which is good, and any IT costs.
Postage, stationary, phone, internet can all go through too.
The tax man also allows you to spend £150 per member of staff on christmas dos, which is taken out before tax.

Depending on how much money you will need coming in, and how much money you will have coming in, there are various schemes that allow you to take the money out of the company in tax efficient ways - the only issue is that it takes time - for example, you can, leave as much money in the company as possible, then x years down the line, wind up the company, and take all the money tax free - various contractors do that from abroad - shutting down the company just as they leave and taking all the money with them. The issue is there, that you then have to ask the tax man for permission to start a new company, if that's what you intend to do - and there is always a chance that they will say no - you can also invest via the company, hold the assets for x years, and then sell them.

If your company is going to be invoicing more than 60k in a year (I think thats the limit) you will need to register for VAT - you can then register for the flat rate scheme - which basically means you charge your clients 17.5%, and then depending on your line of business (there is a chart that tells you this) - you will then get to keep a percentage of that money. So in my case as an IT contractor I get a 5% discount (4% discount + 1% in the first year) - so I only pass on 12.5% to the tax man, and keep the rest. (whcih the tax man then taxes at 20% but that's a different matter).

Pensions are one of the few tax breaks avaliable to contractors/companies right now - since April 2006 the rules changed (A Day, it's called) - the long and the short of it is, is that your company can now directly fund your personal pension, upto £215,000 a year (though it's generally thought that it's a bad move to fund it by more than your salary as it gets the tax man angry) - and this is taken out before corporation tax - saving you 20% on that money.

I'd recommend against getting a company car through your company - the tax man has gone on an offensive just recently, and it's no longer as good as it used to be - it's far more tax efficient to claim your mileage back (40p per mile)


Sorry, that kind of meandered around, but hopefully the salient points are there.


General Info :

I used this place to set up my company all those years ago

www.companies4less.com - I think handyman used them too - the website looks cheap, but I've used them for about 4 years now, and it does cut down the costs (it's also worth upgrading so you can administer online)

If you are going to register for VAT, do it as soon as you form your company - even if you set a date for which you are going to be charging VAT several months in the future. Current VAT registrations are taking 4 months - and you can't charge VAT until you have a VAT number - so if you hit the limit, or go past the date at which you thought you were going to be charging VAT - once your registration comes through, then you have to go back and back invoice your clients for the VAT - no big hassle if you have one client - but it is still a pain to avoid.

Get an accountant - it will make your life a lot easier - I can give you the name of mine if you're interested - they currently charge £95 + VAT a month, which lets them deal with all of it, (VAT reg, company returns, etc) including your own personal tax return.

Make sure your contract is IR35 friendly - if not, and you wind up in IR35 land, ignore everything I have said above - basically your comany ends up being allowed to claim 5% expenses each year, and that's about it.

Join PCG http://www.pcg.org.uk - a) it's an expense of the company and b) being a member gives you insurance against tax man investigations - they will pay for your defence (not the actual cost of any claims against you) - they represented Arctic Systems last year.

Check out your contract for what you need in the way of insurance (Public liability, etc) - costs tend to be about £500 a year (again it's a company expense).

That's all I can think of right now
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www.companies4less.com - I think handyman used them too - the website looks cheap, but I've used them for about 4 years now, and it does cut down the costs (it's also worth upgrading so you can administer online)
Yup used them and found it very easy to use.
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I don't know the full in's and outs, but to trade as a company, I think you need to be able to demonstrate you have more than one client?
Having only one customer is a problem if you are a 'sole trader'. The tax man now regards this as normal employment so that the 'employer' is liable for NIC etc.

It is not a problem if you set up a limited company and trade as such. The downside is you have to submit accounts every year - which are available to all and sundry.
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Re: Anyone working through an Umbrella company?

Thanks for your advice so far.

There is an accountant in the family so that side of things wouldn't be a problem. I'm still wrestling with the balance between the extra hassle of running a company and the extra money to be made from it. My big expense for my first contract is going to be the commute, so as long as I can cover that, I'm happy. It would be nice to push other expenses through a company as well but I can live without that.

This has all come to light very late on. The new job begins a week on Monday so I need to decide whatever I'm going to do very quicikly - the recruitment agency through which I will be working is wanting to know, so they can set up their process accordingly.

I am very tempted by the idea of an Umbrella company because it sounds like minimum hassle, but in that case I'd love to hear from anyone with experience or recommendations of specific companies. Meantime, I will badger my accountant relative this evening with further questions about setting up my own business.

Another question: I have read in several places people advising that contracts should be IR35 friendly. I know that IR35 is a weapon that allows the tax man to ignore your company and effectively tax you as an employee of the company you have contracted to do work for, but what I don't know is, what makes a contract 'IR35 Friendly' or 'IR35 Unfriendly'.

Does anyone have experience of this?
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Another question: I have read in several places people advising that contracts should be IR35 friendly. I know that IR35 is a weapon that allows the tax man to ignore your company and effectively tax you as an employee of the company you have contracted to do work for, but what I don't know is, what makes a contract 'IR35 Friendly' or 'IR35 Unfriendly'.

Does anyone have experience of this?
Part of what makes your contract IR35 friendly is a substitution clause - in as much as your client is hiring your company, _not_ you - so in theory if something should happen to, your company would be able to produce another worker who would be able to fulfil the clients needs.

It's also supposed to state that you should bring your own equipment (within reason) such as pens and so on

Basically the main thing to do is avoid any specific mention of you - it's your company not you that the client is hiring.

Also it would help if your company did a few other things as well, to show that you're not just a one man band, such as web design (with real customers) web hosting and so on? - anything that shows it's not just a vehicle for you to avoid tax?

---------- Post added at 15:09 ---------- Previous post was at 15:07 ----------

this has some good info :

http://www.contractorcalculator.co.u...sses_ir35.aspx
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www.companies4less.com - I think handyman used them too - the website looks cheap, but I've used them for about 4 years now, and it does cut down the costs (it's also worth upgrading so you can administer online)
http://www.formationshouse.com/
Is one I would recommend, but speak to an accountant that does this stuff for a living. I'm an acountant and I employ an accountant to do my personal and corporate returns these days. Generally the minutia they know will save you more in tax than you pay them in fees and if the IR comes a huntin' then you have a secondary buffer of their reputation.
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I'd recommend against getting a company car through your company - the tax man has gone on an offensive just recently, and it's no longer as good as it used to be - it's far more tax efficient to claim your mileage back (40p per mile)
What has he done, being as the company can take a capital allowance (depreciation) against profits on the car, if the company pays the fuel bill and you take the fuel charge BIK, you take a CC BIK but the company gets to write off the actual fuel costs and the insurance and maintainance costs of the car. That could be a good whack of expenses you are now churning through the company.
Though I don't know what the HMRC offensive was about.
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Re: Anyone working through an Umbrella company?

Thanks again for the further advice. Spoke to my personal tax adviser last night (a.k.a. father in law) and he is very keen on me forming my own company. However he said he'd talk to his practice's IR35 expert before we go ahead, just so we are aware of the potential pitfalls and plan accordingly.

He seemed to think that Umbrella companies are not a good idea as HMRC has been 'going after them' in a big way for the past 18 months. I'll let you know how it turns out.
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