A cure for pain - Page 3

**Maggy J** · 17-12-2006, 00:52

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Well the obvious side affect would be in that if pain is removed you are no longer alerted to when something is wrong with your body since if you feel pain its a signal.

For this reason a defenite no for pain removal to be something given to general population but useful for people with terminal or severe chronic conditions where ongoing pain affects their quality of life.

I agree..something to be used on a doctor's advice and only if it is going to enhance quality of life.

scuzz · 17-12-2006, 01:56

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Originally Posted by danielf

It depends. I agree that pain is a warning signal which should not be ignored/removed. On the other had, it would be great if it were possible to remove pain in terminally ill people.

Dear god - I can't agree more - and so very thankfully I'm speaking 2nd hand. Morphine isn't all it's cracked up to be. So to speak.

Pain relief for the bad (understatement) backs I get sometimes - well, whatever the chiro says - I'd prefer no painkill. I want to know what I did that caused the pain in the first place and not risk the chance of worsening what I'd done to my back. It's quite nice to be able to stand/sit/lie after a few days - it sorts itself with a bit of caution...

Pain relief for abc and female pains - well why not?

I'm told that my interesting, painless migraines will disappear with painkillers. I haven't bothered.

**Graham M** · 17-12-2006, 02:02

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Originally Posted by Angua

Better double my dose then (I have been on 1000mg so far)

My Mum takes 2000mg worth of Glucosamine Suplhate with Condroitin a day and it helps with her Joint Pain a lot, she feels the effect immediately if she misses a day.

**Maggy J** · 17-12-2006, 16:21

Well at the end of the day it has to be sorted out between patient and doctor.I suspect that pain is such a subjective matter and that some people can cope with pain that will fell others..It has to be done on an individual case by case with a doctor having the last word.

Ramrod · 17-12-2006, 16:50

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Originally Posted by scuzz

Pain relief for the bad (understatement) backs I get sometimes - well, whatever the chiro says - I'd prefer no painkill. I want to know what I did that caused the pain in the first place and not risk the chance of worsening what I'd done to my back.

Absolutely! But if it takes medication to get you through the day then I do recommend it....

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I'm told that my interesting, painless migraines will disappear with painkillers.

Interesting.....

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Keep the glucosamine (and any other supplements) in the fridge (or a cool dry place).....the amounts they sell them in, they might spoil a little if kept in a warm room for months.

Alien · 18-12-2006, 00:59

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Originally Posted by bopdude

but how long before the warmongers get a hold of it and create an army of non pain feeling drones, just imagine an army that didn't feel pain, they would just keep coming untill the body 'gave up' Scary

headshot?

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Originally Posted by TheNorm

What if we could have it both ways? Replace pain with another sensation, such as heat, or cold, or even ticklishness.

Hospitals would certainly be much jollier places...

Doesn't Nitrous Oxide already do something like that?

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Originally Posted by Angua

It would be nice not to have painful knees, one of those awkward pains which if you don't use your knees goes away, but in order to prevent degeneration you need to keep them moving

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Is it due to arthritis? If so, my mum used to have trouble with her knees but she found some pills which pretty-much sorted her knees out. I forget what was in them, but it was some sort of "extract of cow" [not milk]. The thing is they weren't cheap, & when you're on them you're also supposed to avoid certain foods, plus you have to drink a LOT of water every day. If you're interested, let me know & I'll see if she's still got the details.

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Originally Posted by scuzz

I'm told that my interesting, painless migraines will disappear with painkillers. I haven't bothered.

"painless migraines"? Isn't that a contradiction?

As for pain relief, scientists in... Australia IIRC, have discovered something new from the animal kingdom. There's this ugly looking creature covered in spines [I think it's some kind of sea slug]. The spines are loaded with a lethal cocktail of poisons. The thing is, after hearing accounts from people who'd witnessed the after effects of stepping on 1 of these critters, scientsts decided to investigate the deadly mixture. It turns out it's made up of [IIRC] 40+ proteins, etc that all do different things. 1 of those proteins [when isolated from the rest] appears [still being tested] to be the perfect painkiller - blocks pain completely... with no side effects!

scuzz · 18-12-2006, 03:17

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Absolutely! But if it takes medication to get you through the day then I do recommend it....Interesting.....

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Keep the glucosamine (and any other supplements) in the fridge (or a cool dry place).....the amounts they sell them in, they might spoil a little if kept in a warm room for months.

Nooo - I just DO get painless migraines - they worried me silly after the first dozen or so. "scintilating".. something or other.

I just thought it was strange that something that was painless could be stopped with a painkiller.
But I had started to wonder why I was getting them.

Ermm - my sis has cancer. She takes morphine for the pain control. It messes her up. As it would.

I was confused by your reply.
Cheers.

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[quote=Alien;34181350]headshot?

"painless migraines"? Isn't that a contradiction?

My optrician's/opthalmist's diagnosis...
And, happily - yes.

Alien · 18-12-2006, 03:49

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Originally Posted by scuzz

Nooo - I just DO get painless migraines - they worried me silly after the first dozen or so. "scintilating".. something or other.

I just thought it was strange that something that was painless could be stopped with a painkiller.
But I had started to wonder why I was getting them.

That's really odd, I've never heard of that before.

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Originally Posted by scuzz

Ermm - my sis has cancer. She takes morphine for the pain control. It messes her up. As it would.

Sorry to hear that.

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Originally Posted by scuzz

I was confused by your reply.
Cheers.

If you mean the part about the research into a pain killer with no side effects, that wasn't specifically meant for you, just general info related to the thread topic.

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Originally Posted by scuzz

My optrician's/opthalmist's diagnosis...
And, happily - yes.

Most odd, though glad it doesn't hurt.

Angua · 18-12-2006, 07:36

IIRC Migraines are a combination of several debilitating things such as aversion to light, dizziness, flashing strobe light effects and nausea as well as headaches.

Would be lovely not to have pain in my knees as this is giving me backache and hip ache where I am trying to compensate for the knees.

Alien · 18-12-2006, 08:07

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Originally Posted by Angua

IIRC Migraines are a combination of several debilitating things such as aversion to light, dizziness, flashing strobe light effects and nausea as well as headaches.

I used to have terrible headaches when I was a kid, such that I used to describe it as feeling like I'd been hit on the head with an axe, with the blade aimed along the join between the 2 sides of the brain.

As for aversion to light, I have that, but it's nothing to do with migraines, it's a side affect of a completely different condition. Bright light can make it hard for me to concentrate, make me irritable, etc, & as such has caused me to keep my place a lot darker than most people would have their homes. The benefit of this is I feel more comfortable & relaxed & can concentrate on things, the downside is that it's increased my sensitivity to light in the traditional sense, so that [for example] going out on what other people would call a "lovely sunny day" even with a pair of clip-on shades attached to my glasses & my eyelids almost closed can feel like having molten lead poured into my eye sockets - such fun!

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Originally Posted by Angua

Would be lovely not to have pain in my knees as this is giving me backache and hip ache where I am trying to compensate for the knees.

I'll see if she still has the details. I seem to remember her telling me the supplier told her that the problem can sometimes need to be retreated again after a while, but I think it's been a year or 2 since she did it, which isn't bad.

I should also warn you that some of the things you have to avoid whilst taking them may be things you might not want to do without. I can't be certain until I've spoken to her, but I seem to remember both caffeine & chocolate being on the list.

**Maggy J** · 18-12-2006, 15:08

I get the painful and the painless migraines.The latter just consists of coloured lights that expand across my vision slowly from the centre out...takes about 40 minutes sometimes to dissapate.If I'm driving I just have to stop and wait until it goes away...

The painful ones thankfully are quite rare..once or twice a year is the average lasting up to three days.They are the pits...

Then there are the sinus ones and the tension ones..the latter are so painful but mercifully quite short.

Alien · 23-12-2006, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Angua

It would be nice not to have painful knees, one of those awkward pains which if you don't use your knees goes away, but in order to prevent degeneration you need to keep them moving

. Same would apply to "some" back problems which are better worked through.

Sorry, I forgot to ask my mum about those pills, just sent off an email about it. Speaking of things that could help your knees, have you heard about this:?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2415709.stm
AFAIK, it was originally pioneered for race-horses, where instead of removing the top layer of the bone [as described for the human version], they used a sort of hole-punch-like chisel & made a few holes in the knee cap.

23-12-2006, 11:39

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Glucosamine sulphate has been demonstrated to help with joint pain and knee pain specifically. The minimum effective dose is 1500mg/day

I can definitely vouch for that from experience

Angua · 23-12-2006, 18:49

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Originally Posted by Alien

Sorry, I forgot to ask my mum about those pills, just sent off an email about it. Speaking of things that could help your knees, have you heard about this:?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2415709.stm
AFAIK, it was originally pioneered for race-horses, where instead of removing the top layer of the bone [as described for the human version], they used a sort of hole-punch-like chisel & made a few holes in the knee cap.

Sounds brilliant!

Trouble is by the time I can get it on the NHS I will be eligible for replacements

AdamD · 27-12-2006, 10:58

My aunt in Sweden has a condition which means she's in pain 90% or more of the time
I can't remember the name of the paticular problem she has, but it's disabling and she can barely move when it's at it's worst.
She's only in her mid 30's, has 2 kids and is really depressed with it, because she can't do anything with her kids.