The tendancy for the small / individual trader to be crushed by 'the system'

Croker · 31-05-2005, 11:51

For example: granting of extra 'bank holidays', maternaty leave, paternaty leave etc. Any thoughts?

Nugget · 31-05-2005, 11:56

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Originally Posted by Croker

For example: granting of extra 'bank holidays', maternaty leave, paternaty leave etc. Any thoughts?

What's wrong with maternity leave (or paternity leave for that matter)? If someone can't cope with statutory holidays / leave entitlements, then they should really examine whether they should be running a business in the first place. These things have been in place for a long time - why should 'the system' be blamed for it?

Chimaera · 31-05-2005, 11:58

What extra 'Bank Holidays' do you mean, Croker? I thought we had the least of any European country anyway?

Croker · 31-05-2005, 12:01

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Originally Posted by Chimaera

What extra 'Bank Holidays' do you mean, Croker? I thought we had the least of any European country anyway?

well - there's a late spring one that didn't used to exist till not long ago

Millay · 31-05-2005, 12:01

I do not think extra bank holidays casue problems for small traders etc.. its more the small trader allows them to be problems...

Its all down to plannign and thought...

Croker · 31-05-2005, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Nugget

If someone can't cope with statutory holidays / leave entitlements, then they should really examine whether they should be running a business in the first place. These things have been in place for a long time - why should 'the system' be blamed for it?

clearly - you have never done anything other than under someone elses unmbrella

**Paul M** · 31-05-2005, 12:05

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Originally Posted by Croker

well - there's a late spring one that didn't used to exist till not long ago

Late spring one

I assume you mean yesterdays ? - which has existed as long as I can remember (we had it when I was at school in the 1970's).

Croker · 31-05-2005, 12:07

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Late spring one

I assume you mean yesterdays ? - which has existed as long as I can remember (we had it when I was at school in the 1970's).

no _ I am sure that a new one was added a few years ago. Can't remember which one - and why have they got the arrogance to call it a "bank" holiday anyway

**Paul M** · 31-05-2005, 12:10

May day was added a few years ago.

It's called a Bank Holiday because the Banks take a holiday.

Nugget · 31-05-2005, 12:10

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Originally Posted by Croker

clearly - you have never done anything other than under someone elses unmbrella

Absolutely - however, if I was to start up my own business, I would make sure that I had the finances and, frankly, the business nouse to make sure that I wouldn't be affected by statutory holidays and leave.

**Chris** · 31-05-2005, 12:12

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Originally Posted by Croker

no _ I am sure that a new one was added a few years ago. Can't remember which one - and why have they got the arrogance to call it a "bank" holiday anyway

Traditionally they were days the banks were shut. Nothing arrogant about that. No more arrogant than calling 26 December 'Boxing Day'. You don't receive a gift from your lord and master on 26 December do you?

Croker · 31-05-2005, 12:13

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Originally Posted by Paul M

It's called a Bank Holiday because the Banks take a holiday.

must be the same holiday arrangement that all the bank employees seem to take when I have the misfortune to have to go in to try an do a manual transcation and stand in a queue twenty deep for about half an hour

**Chris** · 31-05-2005, 12:14

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Originally Posted by Croker

clearly - you have never done anything other than under someone elses unmbrella

What, you mean like the majority of the workforce?

It is a common fallacy in logical argument that lack of first-hand experience euqates to lack of right to have an opinion on a particular subject. If you're going to try to discount any opinion from any person who has never been self employed, or run a small business, this thread is going to stumble to a halt pretty fast.

ian@huth · 31-05-2005, 12:14

Every business, no matter how small, has always had to cope with bank holidays and staff absence whether it be maternity or paternity leave, sickness, accident, staff resigning or whatever. They have to plan how to cope with this. In starting a business you have to decide whether you have the ability to cope and if you haven't then that or any business is not for you.

Croker · 31-05-2005, 12:18

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

Every business, no matter how small, has always had to cope with bank holidays and staff absence whether it be maternity or paternity leave, sickness, accident, staff resigning or whatever. They have to plan how to cope with this. In starting a business you have to decide whether you have the ability to cope and if you haven't then that or any business is not for you.

what I am saying is this. In a big setup, like the tax office, passport office, companies house etc. and extra day off (bank holiday etc) means a spit in the ocean and is sopped up by public finds and council tax etc. In a small setup - this cost immedialety impacts on costs of the company / trader - this is my assertion of being 'crushed'