Kung Fu - Page 2

ikthius · 31-01-2005, 22:31

true, but I thought the guy doing it just showed off all the time, although some of the stuff he showed was cool.

ik

iron25 · 31-01-2005, 23:06

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Originally Posted by ikthius

true, but I thought the guy doing it just showed off all the time, although some of the stuff he showed was cool.

ik

Agreed, the guy was a bit gay

The guy I was talking about must have been in his 50's and when he was dressed in his karate gi he looked rather pathetic, however, when they were at the golf course and he was dressed in a black suit he looked decidedly mean. If he was doorman at a nightclub you certainly wouldn't mess with him

homealone · 31-01-2005, 23:09

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If you are looking into studying a martial arts then take a look at wing chun. It's commonly regarded as one of the best martial arts to study and benefits those of a slightly small stature because it does not necessarily rely on speed and strength. The idea is that you should still be able to perform the same moves whether your 28 or 78.

I do think that a seriously skilled martial artist is someone not to be messed with. I watch a program on BBC3 which showed various martial arts and there was this old guy that did karate and it was impressive the way he was able to incapacitate the host with just two fingers in the right pressure points

I know nothing, but being small, myself, isn't speed and un-anticipated strength a surprise element?

- whatever the answer to that, I remember being fascinated by a tv program demonstrating how a 2cm diameter 15cm long (or so) stick could be a lethal weapon, in the right hands - and a knowledge of 'pressure points' - hmm

**Matt D** · 01-02-2005, 00:02

Heh, I leave the site for a couple of hours to watch a film, & come back to loads of great advice. Ta all

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If you are looking into studying a martial arts then take a look at wing chun. It's commonly regarded as one of the best martial arts to study and benefits those of a slightly small stature because it does not necessarily rely on speed and strength.

Small stature? LOL, well, I'm short & skinny, so if that doesn't matter then great.

Wing chun? Is that the same as the Wing Tsung Ramrod mentioned? Or just a similar (to me) name?

**Russ B** · 01-02-2005, 00:31

Yes it's the same - Wing Tsung was actually conceived by a nun so it's ideal for smaller people or those lacking in power. The only thing I have against Wing Tsung is that for most of the moves, your body is square on to your opponent's - my view is you want to make yourself as small a target as possible.

It's interesting what people say about boxing etc - true it's a very effective style if faced with another person on the same 'rules', but watch a boxer lose control when confronted by a weapon or someone who uses kicks well. Judo is very effective as most fights these days end up on the deck but if you're taking on bozo and he's got his mates with him and you end up rolling about on the floor, it's likely one of them will stick the boot it.

Tai Kwon Do is good as well as it uses a lot of kicks but remember a kick is never going to be as quick as a good, well trained punch.

Of course I'm just talking from experience, you might find things differently but I would avoid Karate. For example, if you know a Karateka, ask him/her what their defence would be if you were to attack them with a broken bottle, swinging it down on to their head. Most likely they'd bring a forearm up to block it - well yes that would block your arm but in all likelihood would jolt the bottle out of your hand and end up smashing down on their head.

But yes, what works for me might not work for another person so it's best to 'shop around' as it were.

iron25 · 01-02-2005, 00:32

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Heh, I leave the site for a couple of hours to watch a film, & come back to loads of great advice. Ta all

Small stature? LOL, well, I'm short & skinny, so if that doesn't matter then great.

Wing chun? Is that the same as the Wing Tsung Ramrod mentioned? Or just a similar (to me) name?

I think wing tsung is a variant of wing chun but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong

About Wing Chun:

"Self-defense is only an illusion, a dark cloak beneath which lurks a razor-sharp dagger waiting to be plunged into the first unwary victim.
Whoever declares that any weapon manufactured today, whether it be a nuclear missle or a .38 special, is created for self-defense should look a little more closely at his own image in the mirror. Either he is a liar or is deceiving himself.

Wing Chun kung fu is a very sophisticated weapon--nothing else. It is a science of combat, the intent of which is the total incapacitation of an opponent. It is straightforward, efficient and deadly. If you're looking to learn self-defense, don't study Wing Chun. It would be better for you to master the art of invisibility"

-- Wong Shun Leung

Wong Shun Leung one of the greatest Masters of wing chun in this or any other century. I reckon I could take him though

Earl of Bronze · 01-02-2005, 00:34

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I've recently been thinking about trying to learn Kung Fu, & wondered if anyone here does it or has done it.

What's it like for complete beginners with absolutely no martial arts knowledge or experience? Is it really hard to get into? Or do you generally start out easily, & have a good learning curve?

I assume there are different styles..... can anyone recommend any in particular? Or say why the one they've done is good or not?

When I was in the army we where taught Jap Slapping (not very PC I know). The closest martial art to what I was taught would prolly be Krav Margah (sp?), which is ''supposed'' to be the technique taught to Isreali Mossad agents. What I learned is ''not'' flash, is incredibly brutal, and usually leaves you're protagonist in massive ammounts of pain. But hey, thats life.

**Russ B** · 01-02-2005, 00:36

I've heard about Krav Marga, developed by the Israeli army - very nasty beast as well, so I heard.

I remember talking to a kickboxer about KF and he was of the opinion his style was the best, "Kickboxing teaches you to take a punch" was what he used to come out with all the time.

My reply was "Kung Fu teaches you to avoid one".

01-02-2005, 00:38

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It's interesting what people say about boxing etc - true it's a very effective style if faced with another person on the same 'rules', but watch a boxer lose control when confronted by a weapon or someone who uses kicks well.

An observation: this is, however, true of many martial arts fighting styles, they have often developed most in fighting other practitioners of the same style and can't handle it if someone change the "rules" eg grappling against someone who's used to kicks and punches.

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Of course I'm just talking from experience, you might find things differently but I would avoid Karate. For example, if you know a Karateka, ask him/her what their defence would be if you were to attack them with a broken bottle, swinging it down on to their head.

The most "correct" answer to this from *any* sensible martial artist should be "run like hell"!!

**Russ B** · 01-02-2005, 00:40

Well yes but once your back is against the wall...and the wall is too high to climb....and Superman ain't about....

iron25 · 01-02-2005, 00:41

A martial art that I would like to be a master in has to be aikido. Apart from Bruce Lee films, one of the most impressive martial art that I have seen in movies is the steven seagal films, I know the films are crap but to see a 6ft 4in guy bitch slap baddies with such ease is cool.

With aikido you never strike first but use your opponents momentum and
Aikido techniques can be instantly lethal and it is an art in which "the one" is used to strike "the many." Train yourself to be mindful of attacks coming from four and eight directions.

01-02-2005, 00:44

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Well yes but once your back is against the wall...and the wall is too high to climb....and Superman ain't about....

Graham's rules for fighting:

1) Talk your way out of it.

2) Run away from it.

3) Do something *very* dirty then use option 2 *very* fast.

Oh, and Rule Zero: When the fertilizer is heading towards the windmill Be somewhere else!!
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Train yourself to be mindful of attacks coming from four and eight directions.

This works well in films, but as any military strategist from Sun Tzu to von Clauswitz will tell you: three against one is *not* good odds.

**Russ B** · 01-02-2005, 00:44

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3) Do something *very* dirty

Really? Wouldn't work for me - I'm straight.

Earl of Bronze · 01-02-2005, 00:44

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I've heard about Krav Marga, developed by the Israeli army - very nasty beast as well, so I heard.

From what I've read it teaches you to reach from any position, in any situation. It also teaches you to use any object to hand as a weapon, bottles, chairs, you're keys etc. It deffo isnt a martial art to study if you ''only'' want to defend yourself.

Personally I've been thinking along the lines of either Jujitsu, or Bruce Lees Martial Art (can remember the name of it for the life of me). I'll have to go talk to the instructor in my local Leisure Center and get his advice, seeing as my back is a mess since the accident.

**Russ B** · 01-02-2005, 00:46

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Personally I've been thinking along the lines of either Jujitsu, or Bruce Lees Martial Art (can remember the name of it for the life of me)

Jeet Kune Do, cracking little style. Again - very effective for a small (albeit strong) guy like Bruce, not sure how helpful it is if you're 6'5" and 19 stone.