are'nt our policemen wonderful

[Indians]

Not sure what you mean, but whatever it is I would say this, some Police Officers think they are 'above' the Law and like any job there are good 'uns and bad 'uns.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Indians

Not sure what you mean, but whatever it is I would say this, some Police Officers think they are 'above' the Law and like any job there are good 'uns and bad 'uns.

The law states that a NIP must be sent within 14 days of the offence and to be valid, must be either recorded or registered delivery.
Humberside do not do this, they use normal 1st class, therefore every single conviction they get from an NIP sent out is unlawful.

However, Humberside takes advantage of people's ignorance of the law to ride roughshot over it and get their convictions (most people will sign the NIP and pay their £60 even though at no point does it get checked for legality)

Its a common misbelief that the police can break the law - This is not the case... They are subject to the same laws as we are !

If a police car jumps a red light and kills somebody then the police will treat him the same as anyone else - No Favors - !

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by stuartbe

Its a common misbelief that the police can break the law - This is not the case... They are subject to the same laws as we are !

If a police car jumps a red light and kills somebody then the police will treat him the same as anyone else - No Favors - !

But if a police car jumps the red light, no one is hurt, and it's spotted by a passing fellow police car, what are the chances of the passing car reporting the law breaking car?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

But if a police car jumps the red light, no one is hurt, and it's spotted by a passing fellow police car, what are the chances of the passing car reporting the law breaking car?

Nothing.....hmmmmm I see your point....

I would like to think that they would only jump the light if it was an emergency !

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by stuartbe

Nothing.....hmmmmm I see your point....

I would like to think that they would only jump the light if it was an emergency !

I've been passed on the M3 at night, in fog, by a police car doing 120mph without blues going.

I've also followed a police van down the M1 late at night that was also doing near 100mph, and nearly careered off the road!

I've also been followed from alton to the A3 by a police car, at night, with full beam on even though he could clearly see me ahead, and then when I got to the A3, he sat right up my tail, until I overtook a slow moving vehicle and thinking it was some boy racer, pulled straight in, and slowed down so he couldn't fit behind me, then saw it was a police car as he passed! He was trying to force me to speed (the duel carrigway there has 2 lanes so he could have overtaken me) so he could pull me over!

[Indians]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The law states that a NIP must be sent within 14 days of the offence and to be valid, must be either recorded or registered delivery.
Humberside do not do this, they use normal 1st class, therefore every single conviction they get from an NIP sent out is unlawful.

However, Humberside takes advantage of people's ignorance of the law to ride roughshot over it and get their convictions (most people will sign the NIP and pay their £60 even though at no point does it get checked for legality)

I don't really know what an NIP is, but at the end of the day, if you got one, you've obviously broken some law and arguments about the police not sending it by registered post etc. are immaterial, hold your hand up and say 'sorry, I did it, I can't blame anyone else, I'll pay the price'.
You can't say 'they do / did wrong, so I can as well'.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

There is no evidence to show that speed cameras save lives.
The AA (remember, it started as an anti-speed trap organisation) and the RAC have both held studies along with other indipendant ones.

I don't call the report of an association set up as an anti-speed trap group to be unbiased!

If you honestly don't think that speed cameras work then why not have a look at this post and its related links, they aren't very long, but they do prove a point
http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showp...4&postcount=67

Edit- In fact I think this is so poignant I'll include it I'm this post

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Indians

I don't really know what an NIP is, but at the end of the day, if you got one, you've obviously broken some law and arguments about the police not sending it by registered post etc. are immaterial, hold your hand up and say 'sorry, I did it, I can't blame anyone else, I'll pay the price'.
You can't say 'they do / did wrong, so I can as well'.

Notice of intended prosecution.
And no you don't have to have done something wrong to get one, cameras can malfunction, or be incorrectly set up, even a passing lorry can cause a false reading on a gatso

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by dellwear

I don't call the report of an association set up as an anti-speed trap group to be unbiased!

If you honestly don't think that speed cameras work then why not have a look at this post and its related links, they aren't very long, but they do prove a point
http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showp...4&postcount=67

Edit- In fact I think this is so poignant I'll include it I'm this post

Interesting as it only picks a few forces.
Doesn't mention all the other things that have been put into place to help reduce road accidents, such as speed bumps near schools and residential areas.

As for the history of the AA (you can go to their museum in basingstoke), they were started as a response to dodgy speed traps.
Back in those early days of the motorcar, the police would hide in the bushes by the side of the road, as you passed, one would jump out and wave a white flag, a second policeman would start a stop watch, a third would then jump out when you passed, and if you were too quick, the time keeper would wave and you'd get pulled over.
Now the police, likeing the idea of getting money from motorists, would start the stop watch a little too late, or have the marker policemen hidden too close together, giving a higher speed than what you were actually doing.
The AA started by employing cyclists to search out for speed traps, and flag down AA member's cars to warn them.
This had such a drastic affect on the income from speed traps, that it became illegal to flag someone down to warn them.
This is why AA men would salute a passing member.
If they didn't salute, you could then pull over yourself, and ask them if everything was ok.
Because *you* pulled over, he was then able to legally warn you about the speed trap.

The police today still take a dim view of people warning motorists of speed traps, even though it does a better job of slowing traffic down.

[Maggy J]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Interesting as it only picks a few forces.
Doesn't mention all the other things that have been put into place to help reduce road accidents, such as speed bumps near schools and residential areas.

As for the history of the AA (you can go to their museum in basingstoke), they were started as a response to dodgy speed traps.
Back in those early days of the motorcar, the police would hide in the bushes by the side of the road, as you passed, one would jump out and wave a white flag, a second policeman would start a stop watch, a third would then jump out when you passed, and if you were too quick, the time keeper would wave and you'd get pulled over.
Now the police, likeing the idea of getting money from motorists, would start the stop watch a little too late, or have the marker policemen hidden too close together, giving a higher speed than what you were actually doing.
The AA started by employing cyclists to search out for speed traps, and flag down AA member's cars to warn them.
This had such a drastic affect on the income from speed traps, that it became illegal to flag someone down to warn them.
This is why AA men would salute a passing member.
If they didn't salute, you could then pull over yourself, and ask them if everything was ok.
Because *you* pulled over, he was then able to legally warn you about the speed trap.

The police today still take a dim view of people warning motorists of speed traps, even though it does a better job of slowing traffic down.

Is there an online source for this?

[Xaccers]

http://www.theaa.com/aboutaa/history.html

[carlingman]

Well amazes me how quickly the Police get to the scene of an accident but minor accidents proceed to do nothing aboout the traffic flow but stand and have a chat arouns the vehicles involved.

Drving or shall we say bumper to bumper crawling out of Newport in South Wales tonight a lorry had overturned with no injuries on the M4 Junc 28 roundabout.

No some sap had rang into the local radio station saying the accident was on the M4 Junc 29 so all who had a radio pulled off the motorway at 28 onto the roundabout where the actual accident overturned lorry was.

This in a result trebled the traffic onto to the roundabout with 7 exits on and the police did f all except park their 4 volvo estates on the 2 inside feeder lanes coming out of Newport blocking everyone who was trying to edge out onto the normally busy roundabout.

4 Volovo estates parked up causing more obstruction than the overturned lorry would have done all standing around having a chat and not one the them decided it may be an idea to get the backlog of traffic moving grrrrrrr.

A f in 30min drive home from work took me 2 hours thanks to the tailbacks caused by them aholes.

And a final question -

Originally Posted by peachey

snip only yesterday a colleage of mine had their car crashed into and written off while they were in it (and stationary!) by an underaged/uninsured motorcyclist (who subsequently ran off from the scene)
and were required to present their documents to the cops - licence/insurance etc

Curious mode here, as myself am a motorcyclist, how the f can a motorcyclist right off a car when the car is stationery and not get any injuries himself and manage to run off.

Having dropped a bike doing 50mph after a blow out which bounced off the central reservation and hit 3 moving cars resulting in my own arse and leathers skidding across a carriage way i got away with a new set of leathers and underpants and few dents in the cars the bike hit and repairable bike.

[peachey]

Originally Posted by carlingman

Curious mode here, as myself am a motorcyclist, how the f can a motorcyclist right off a car when the car is stationery and not get any injuries himself and manage to run off.

Having dropped a bike doing 50mph after a blow out which bounced off the central reservation and hit 3 moving cars resulting in my own arse and leathers skidding across a carriage way i got away with a new set of leathers and underpants and few dents in the cars the bike hit and repairable bike.

yes
I was amazed myself

it's true tho
he rode off on it

I would have thought he would have knackered the forks and stuff
the way he knackered the radiator and everything

I kid you not tho - it did happen



also

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2a.htm

[carlingman]

Originally Posted by peachey

yes
I was amazed myself

it's true tho
he rode off on it

I would have thought he would have knackered the forks and stuff
the way he knackered the radiator and everything

I kid you not tho - it did happen



also

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2a.htm

Hmm Troll Baiter mode on here,

So you are now saying he hit the car Front On damaged the car radiator then picked the bike up and then rode off not ran off.

Now hang on here law of gravity says if you hit a car head on when your on a bike there is only one way you going over the top and into the windscreen and then pick yourself up and the bike and ride off.

No wonder he didnt stop it was Evil Knieval.