Seperate rules for Police?

**Russ B** · 27-12-2003, 12:14

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3350829.stm

Truly tragic news. The gunman WILL be caught.

One thing I find disturbing is the point made at the bottom of the article where it is suggested that the death penalty is introduced for those who kill police officers. Why, are police deaths any more tragic than civilian cases? I'm against such a punishment but if that's what they want, why not the death penalty for those who kill security guards?

I know the police do a brave, difficult and often thankless job but there should be no special rules for them.

deadite66 · 27-12-2003, 12:18

usual story hurt or kill one of their own and the establishment will stamp hard on you.

**Maggy J** · 27-12-2003, 12:18

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Originally Posted by Russ D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3350829.stm

Truly tragic news. The gunman WILL be caught.

One thing I find disturbing is the point made at the bottom of the article where it is suggested that the death penalty is introduced for those who kill police officers. Why, are police deaths any more tragic than civilian cases? I'm against such a punishment but if that's what they want, why not the death penalty for those who kill security guards?

I know the police do a brave, difficult and often thankless job but there should be no special rules for them.

I agree.If there is to be any death penalty,it should be reserved for serial killers and those who prey on children.

Incog.

deadite66 · 27-12-2003, 12:32

or the elderly

**Russ B** · 27-12-2003, 12:35

I disagree with both the above points - if you are going to have a punishment, make it applicable for all, not just those who kill the elderly, children, police officers or whatever. A life is a life, none more precious than the next.

**Mick** · 27-12-2003, 13:22

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Originally Posted by Russ D

I disagree with both the above points - if you are going to have a punishment, make it applicable for all, not just those who kill the elderly, children, police officers or whatever. A life is a life, none more precious than the next.

Harold Shipman should have been given the death penalty. Yet, I heard the other day that Harold Shipman had his privileges removed for being rude, come on this guy was convicted for murdering 15 people and thought to have murdered hundreds more and he gets his TV removed because he is RUDE to staff that really takes the **** as he should not of had any privileges AT ALL.

Ian Huntley should of also been given the death penalty for what he did to those poor little girls, yet it was in the news that he was given one hell of a christmas day lunch, prison is a joke and is far too soft.

**Russ B** · 27-12-2003, 13:25

I can't agree that you get one level of punishment depending on who was killed.

I don't know what perks Shipman or Huntley had but don't forget the media will turn any story in to a frenzy.

luftys · 27-12-2003, 13:29

They hold more store in property

than they do for life,but I think its about time that changed

**Mick** · 27-12-2003, 13:33

I think we have to look back at why the death penalty was abolished in Britain, too many innocent people being wrongly convicted to death? Surely by advances in technology and DNA matching it should be looked into and brought back into force, the UK justice system is falling apart and UK prisons are over-populated. Time for change is needed urgently.

Bex · 27-12-2003, 14:13

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Originally Posted by Dr. Plummer

I think we have to look back at why the death penalty was abolished in Britain, too many innocent people being wrongly convicted to death? Surely by advances in technology and DNA matching it should be looked into and brought back into force, the UK justice system is falling apart and UK prisons are over-populated. Time for change is needed urgently.

yeah i see your point dr p.......it would be more difficult (is that good english

) to have innocent people who were given the death penalty, however i do not by the same token think that it should be re-introduced...i think we have discussed this issue to death (no punn intended) and i do not think that there will ever be a general consesus in agreeing with the death penalty......

brain isn't functioning today (had to go back to work grrr) but when it is i will try and develop some arguments against and some for captial punishment

**Rob** · 27-12-2003, 14:14

The Death Penalty is a very emotive subject. In simple terms however, I do not beleive the death penalty can ever safely be imposed. All too frequently do we hear of appeal courts releasing someone, many years after the original event, as the conviction is ruled unsafe. Far better to improson someone. Ok if the case is later found unsafe, you can't give the person back their freedom, but at least they have still had some form of life.

Criminal law requires absolute proof, whihc is why so many cases that go to court fail, and most don't even get to court, du to that absolute proof test. Everyone knows that so and so did it, but cannot conclusively prove it.

I beleive that as we are now signed up to the Human Rights Act, that has ensured that the death penalty cannot be brought back whether we want it or not! Remember the law today is more about protecting the perpetrator than the victim.

However, my simple suggestion. Scrap the parole system. If someone gets a life sentence, that's what it means, life they dont get a get out of jail card in only a few measly years.

Bex · 27-12-2003, 14:20

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Originally Posted by MovedGoalPosts

The Death Penalty is a very emotive subject. In simple terms however, I do not beleive the death penalty can ever safely be imposed. All too frequently do we hear of appeal courts releasing someone, many years after the original event, as the conviction is ruled unsafe. Far better to improson someone. Ok if the case is later found unsafe, you can't give the person back their freedom, but at least they have still had some form of life.

Criminal law requires absolute proof, whihc is why so many cases that go to court fail, and most don't even get to court, du to that absolute proof test. Everyone knows that so and so did it, but cannot conclusively prove it.

I beleive that as we are now signed up to the Human Rights Act, that has ensured that the death penalty cannot be brought back whether we want it or not! Remember the law today is more about protecting the perpetrator than the victim.

However, my simple suggestion. Scrap the parole system. If someone gets a life sentence, that's what it means, life they dont get a get out of jail card in only a few measly years.

well said that man......i totally agree

**Mick** · 27-12-2003, 15:55

It is simple to say not to bring back the death penalty we have not lost loved ones at the hands of sick twisted evil people. If I lost someone at the hands of such a person I would probably want death to come to them. Life for a life should count.

27-12-2003, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Dr. Plummer

It is simple to say not to bring back the death penalty we have not lost loved ones at the hands of sick twisted evil people. If I lost someone at the hands of such a person I would probably want death to come to them. Life for a life should count.

Which is why we should be the ones making these decisions. You can`t put highly emotive life and death decisions in the hands of people who have gone through that sort of trauma, they are in no fit state to make these sorts of decisions.

Bex · 27-12-2003, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Dr. Plummer

It is simple to say not to bring back the death penalty we have not lost loved ones at the hands of sick twisted evil people. If I lost someone at the hands of such a person I would probably want death to come to them. Life for a life should count.

yes babes, i see your point, but that is an emotive response, if we are going to ever bring it back it would have to be for rational, logical reasons..does that make sense?