Rottweillers Savage Baby to death - Page 2

**Paul M** · 25-09-2006, 08:10

Dangerous dogs like these should not be allowed as pets. These animals attacking children is not new - it's reported in the news time after time, fortunately the child usually lives, in this case the end result was even more tragic. These dogs are killers, ban them.

Jules · 25-09-2006, 08:32

Such a sad story. R.I.P Little one

hatedbythemail · 25-09-2006, 08:33

it looks like these dogs were not being kept as domestic pets but more as guard animals and it would appear that they were not being legally held (should have been tethered etc) . they will not i fear have had the love and respect which they should as pets but may have had their aggressive insticts heightened by the role their owners gave them

Skatoony · 25-09-2006, 09:06

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

He isn't anymore.....

Agreed

SOSAGES · 25-09-2006, 10:02

sad story

btw ive been bitten by most dogs ive ever meet small big cute ugly u name it they go for me no idea why

punky · 25-09-2006, 10:13

Everyone seems to blame the owner, but noone seems to blame the parents. Noone forced the parents to look after the dogs or place. They accepted the task and they should accept the responsibility. Also, it doesn't elaborate on the circumstances of the attack, but I think its crmiinally negligent that the parents allowed the situation to arise where the dogs could come into contact with a 5 month old baby.

AndrewJ · 25-09-2006, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Dangerous dogs like these should not be allowed as pets. These animals attacking children is not new - it's reported in the news time after time, fortunately the child usually lives, in this case the end result was even more tragic. These dogs are killers, ban them.

The dog when born is not dangerous? if there nature is bred into them by breeders of which is common they are not shown love from day one they are left to their own devices.

I know people with Dobermans Rottweilers lots of dogs of which you would find vicious and yet they are the most loving friends those people have, and at my local park they are known with the kids for being great laughs.

It is down to the breeder many sadly for "those" breeds see the dogs as a way of making money they do not show affection and care for the dogs, nor do they show discipline to the dog when they misbehave, nipping bad behaviour in the bud is REQUIRED in any breed to stop it escalating.

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Originally Posted by punky

Everyone seems to blame the owner, but noone seems to blame the parents. Noone forced the parents to look after the dogs or place. They accepted the task and they should accept the responsibility. Also, it doesn't elaborate on the circumstances of the attack, but I think its crmiinally negligent that the parents allowed the situation to arise where the dogs could come into contact with a 5 month old baby.

It could also be said the breeder was negligent if they knew the owner would have a baby?

When we listed the pups from one of the neighbours dogs we refused sale to families with new born or children under 10 for obvious reasons since kids pull poke and prod.

Although I do not agree there is alot more variables.

etccarmageddon · 25-09-2006, 10:23

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Originally Posted by Pia

...The owners want locking up, they can't have spent a lot of time training them NOT to do such things.....

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Originally Posted by Felinix_Devotion

I....Any dog with the correct training and most importantly some love can be tame and loving to anyone.

I disagree. Some dogs are genetically agressive from my experience and no amount of training can change it.

I also dont believe in selecting certain breeds as being 'untrustworthy' as some rotties are soft and some are mad. some can be trained to be soft but some no matter how much training will still have a dangerous side.

AndrewJ · 25-09-2006, 10:25

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Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

I disagree. Some dogs are genetically agressive from my experience and no amount of training can change it.

Wrong

Sorry your wrong there any dog given the right amount of care and love can be tamed.

I agree on the point of a dog raised to be violent from birth is behond hope, however a pup can be taugh differnetly, given a Rottweiler and time you can have that puppy as soft and loving as a Labrador easily. Yes it will take more time to teach it right from wrong, and to make it learn discilipine, but it is possible and that is what matters.

etccarmageddon · 25-09-2006, 10:29

my GSD is soft as a labrador - no amount of training would ever make him want to harm anyone or anything.

prior to that I had 2 GSDs which I believe were genetically predisposed to being dangerous.

prior to that I had a GSD which I managed to train out certain aspects of his aggression.

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Originally Posted by Felinix_Devotion

...Sorry your wrong there any dog given the right amount of care and love can be tamed.....

that is indeed a dangerous assumption to make.

punky · 25-09-2006, 10:38

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Originally Posted by Felinix_Devotion

It could also be said the breeder was negligent if they knew the owner would have a baby?

I wouldn't have said so... The only people responsible for the baby are the parents. They knew about the guard dogs. Doesn't sound to me like they were fit to have a baby.

Don't get me wrong, I think its right the animals were destroyed...

AndrewJ · 25-09-2006, 10:42

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that is indeed a dangerous assumption to make.

Really? I do speak from my parents raising many different breeds over time and from knowing a experienced Rottweiler breeder personally, of whom shows all the puppys affection from the first day to 8week old, and also vets the owners carefully.

A Rottweiler is a dog a family should consider taking on, its not just a dog it's a dog which needs some care to keep in line but they can be a rewarding family friend, and I've seen this enough to feel safe in this asumption.

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Originally Posted by punky

Doesn't sound to me like they were fit to have a baby.

Now we are moving to a topic away from the dog, was they fit to own the dog would be a more appropiate question yes?

hatedbythemail · 25-09-2006, 10:54

its true that some breeds were bred for aggression and are now appropriated as domestic pets. its not true that they cannot be trained. i have a friend who's a dog trainer and he has has ort has had rottys and alsations. each and everyone has been a beautiful and playful animal that i would happily let my children be near. i still do as does everyone elses kids around here.

imo it is the way dogs are cared for by their owners. they have to teach the dog obedience and respect.

AndrewJ · 25-09-2006, 10:55

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Originally Posted by hatedbythemail

its true that some breeds were bred for aggression and are now appropriated as domestic pets. its not true that they cannot be trained. i have a friend who's a dog trainer and he has has ort has had rottys and alsations. each and everyone has been a beautiful and playful animal that i would happily let my children be near. i still do as does everyone elses kids around here.

imo it is the way dogs are cared for by their owners. they have to teach the dog obedience and respect.

Pia · 25-09-2006, 11:06

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Originally Posted by punky

I wouldn't have said so... The only people responsible for the baby are the parents. They knew about the guard dogs. Doesn't sound to me like they were fit to have a baby.

What a stupid thing to say.

I said earlier where were the parents when the dogs got the baby, but i don't know the full story, nobody does, so i will not deem them to be unfit parents without knowing the facts.

These people have just lost their baby to a vicious attack by a pair of vicious dogs. If you had any idea what that must feel like then you certainly wouldn't be saying they weren't fit to have a baby. Don't you think they'll feel bad enough about this? Mistakes happen, and those parents are probably feeling like they want to kill themselves right now.

I take it you don't have kids.