Homes for the "asian community"

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Of course it's not favouritism - as has been stated earlier in this thread, if the toilet has been positioned so that it could be used by Asians (although I have absolutely no idea what the difference is), this simply serves to maximise the potential number of families who may be offered the property. As such, that isn't favouritism, it's simple economincs with sound business sense...

Right... the toilet being different is as follows... Muslims prefer not to take a pee or a crap facing the direction in which they pray (i.e towards mecca), out of respect etc etc. As a result they prefer a toilet to be situated so that they will not be in such a position when they take a leak or take a dump. In houses where this is not the case most muslims will sit or stand so they are not facing Mecca when using the toilet (if they are conciously aware of the fact). It seems that in the case of these houses they have been built to take this into account.
Like its been said before, thiis isnt favouritsm, but more of a case of expanding your potential markjet. It does not stop a non muslim from using the bog, it makes no difference in how non muslims take a dump!

[punky]

What makes me wonder is the cost, and where does the money come from?

Special toilets, kitchens... They don't mention how much it costs to adapt homes to be 'Asian friendly'. Even if its only a few grand, over 18 houses, that adds up. Moving a toilet may seem a little job, and if its only a small change in bearing, it is... but if it involves a toilet facing east... That means a 180 degree change... Walls would have to be ripped, as would the floor boards and all the supplement fresh and waste water plumbing. Not a 5 minute job. However... It doesn't just say moving the toilet, but moving the bathroom, apparently from one side of the house to the other. That means repartitioning walls, even more plumbing... Again not a small job.

I'd also hate this to set a precedent. I'd hate to think other Asians would demand housing adapted to them because someone in Oldham as it. The cost really will mount up.

By-the-byby, I never understood this praying east thing. If you're in the UK and pray east, you're praying to Russia or China rather than Mecca...

[Damien]

then evetually mecca? Everywhere is east eventually

[punky]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Like its been said before, thiis isnt favouritsm, but more of a case of expanding your potential markjet. It does not stop a non muslim from using the bog, it makes no difference in how non muslims take a dump!

Yeah, but does having toilets that face east stop Muslims from using them? Do they carry around compasses in case they have to use public toilets?

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Originally Posted by Damien

then evetually mecca? Everywhere is east eventually

No.. then eventually you'll come back where you started.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

I personally subscribe to the idea of smaller families BUT I will defend to the death the freedom of anyone to have as many children as they like PROVIDED they can care for them and there is no neglect.There are such families you know.

I did say that I was generalising
I am in agreement with you on that one.....as long as they can support themselves. I see no reason for councils (society) to provide extra living space because layabouts want big families though...

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by punky

Yeah, but does having toilets that face east stop Muslims from using them? Do they carry around compasses in case they have to use public toilets?

That is why I said most Muslims prefer not to face Mecca when using a toilet. In your home the direction in which you pray is permanently set, you find it out using a compass and thats that sorted.

From my own experience I dont carry a compass around me which I can then use to ascertain the direction of Mecca when Im in a public loo. However when I know what the direction is (i.e at home) then I prefer not to face that direction when having a pee.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by punky

No.. then eventually you'll come back where you started.

I s'pose that Mecca is technically to the East - in fairness (and if I've got my geography right), it's actually South East from the UK, but close enough?

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by SMG

Interesting theory. How could we limit the number. Castration, steralisation, police enforcement, abortion, finance, sh*t m8, I couldnt count the number of cans of worms that question would open. The human rights brigades birthdays would all come at once.

lol......they can have as many kids as they like, I just don't want to have to subsidise those kids or listen to them bleat about how little space they have once they have had them....

[punky]

Originally Posted by Nugget

I s'pose that Mecca is technically to the East - in fairness (and if I've got my geography right), it's actually South East from the UK, but close enough?

Yeah, but if you're going to pray to Russia you might as well pray anywhere?

[me283]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

A toilet facing a certain way will not stop anyone else using it will it? Therefore its designed for everyone but also taken into consideration a factor from the prospective "asian users" in its design.

Its business isnt it mate, to make your products as attractive as possible to all users, you design them with as many preferences to make your product better.

DOes that make it clearer to you that the toilets can be indeed used and therefore designed for everyone as well as "asians"

So it is designed for Asians, knowing that others can use it. Seems pretty clear to me. Yes, the houses were designed for Asians, otherwise why would they bther which way you face when you take a leak?

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Originally Posted by Damien

In other words, gaint who cares about the Direction a tolet is facing. People are more bothered that Asians were favoured than the actual effect on everyone else which is none. (Unless your a very picky werido)

Yep, insisting your toilet faces in a certain direction seems pretty wierd to me... Oh no, you think that's normal, don't you? Silly me. I forgot, any oddity can be acceptable if it's dressed up as "religious" or "cultural".

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Originally Posted by Damien

then evetually mecca? Everywhere is east eventually

Then why not pray to the West? You'll eventually end up in the East.

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

That is why I said most Muslims prefer not to face Mecca when using a toilet. In your home the direction in which you pray is permanently set, you find it out using a compass and thats that sorted.

From my own experience I dont carry a compass around me which I can then use to ascertain the direction of Mecca when Im in a public loo. However when I know what the direction is (i.e at home) then I prefer not to face that direction when having a pee.

SO most Muslims don't have a problem facing any direction when they use a toilet? Simple then: don't tell them which way the toilet faces.

Interesting concept though, they don't have a problem with perceived disrespect unless it's made obvious... so they use a toilet not knowing which way it's facing, knowing that they could be facing east? And that's OK?

[Maggy J]

So now council housing is only for those who can't pay their way...

Well I was brought up in council housing...and my grandfather and father worked every day to pay the rent...Yes it was social housing but you still had to pay the rent..if you didn't you were either out or in the workhouse(in my grandfathers day).Now of course with our more enlightened attitudes we provide for those who can't pay their rent whatever colour,creed,sexuality,age, or particular family circumstances.

As to the 'no one should have more children than they can afford' comments I thought that my phrasing of

they can care for them and there is no neglect

would imply that they are paying for them...Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.Maybe you might cut them some slack now.

I recently saw a documentary about a family of about 20 individuals.Both parents worked and still coped with their large brood.They took no benefits(apart from child benefit)and payed for everything out of their own pockets..I was impressed at their organisation and at how well the family functioned.I was particularly impressed by how well rounded and fantastic the individual children were in this family.About half said that they wanted to have a large family when older and the other half said no way...They were a fantastic testament to their parents care and devotion.When I think how bratty some children from smaller families are I ponder that it's not how many children we have it's how well we bring them up that matters.

Which brings me to the next point that not every ethnic family should be judged on such narrow criteria as seems to be implicit in this thread.A good many asians are decent human beings doing their best to take care of their families and like the 'resident homegrown whites' in this country there are those who are feckless but there are soooooooo many more who are not and don't deserve the tarring and feathering that they are consistantly being applied with in so many threads in this forum.

It seems to me there are a small group who delight in starting threads like this just to stir up racial emnity.I'm fed up with it.

This site is about being helpful not spiteful.

[ian@huth]

I don't know why there is such an issue being made about the toilets in these houses. If you are producing a product you want to ensure that its chances of selling are maximised. If the product is a house and the orientation of the toilet could be a problem to some potential buyers then you take steps to eliminate the problem. In a town where 60% of potential buyers could be put off by the toilet orientation then it makes commercial sense to alter things to suit them.

[Damien]

Yep, insisting your toilet faces in a certain direction seems pretty wierd to me... Oh no, you think that's normal, don't you?

No, its because I do not care! Seriously how does this hurt you? Some house somewhere has a toliet that faces a different way! Who can make a issue out of that?

Silly me. I forgot, any oddity can be acceptable if it's dressed up as "religious" or "cultural".

So you think its not acceptable. Seriously it doesnt matter.

[Maggy J]

Oh dear how the hell does it matter where the toilet bluddy points.What the hell does it have to do with anything?Just what was the reason for picking on THIS particular errrrr sorry for this point?

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by punky

The US for starters. It hasn't done my family any harm. Or Canada, lovely place. Or Australia. Or anywhere that'll give me a better life for myself than in the UK. Patience waiting for things to get better is wearing thin.

Life used to be good in Britain.... Its been descending downhill at an impressive rate. Because of my job and family, I come into contact with a lot of families who are willing to spend £10k-£20k+ just to escape Britain. That's basic immigration and visa costs to the US and doesn't include a lot. They don't come to descisions like that based on a couple of frivilous issues.

Do you really think that life is so wonderful in the USA (or Canada or Australia)? Do you think that these countries don't have racism? Or poor people that cannot afford decent housing? Or access to decent health care?

Life in the USA isn't always like that shown in "The Waltons"...