Homes for the "asian community"

[ian@huth]

The reason that some Asian families want large houses is that they have several generations of the family living together. A lot of this is down to Muslim belief about not paying interest on loans.

[BBKing]

Precisely - it's cultural. Large families tend to be a characteristic of poor countries with poor healthcare and little in the way of state help or welfare (i.e. you rely on having enough surviving children to support you in old age). When these conditions are improved there's a lag during which families stay large (it happened in the UK, too) but survivability increases massively and the population booms, but eventually the childbirth curve catches up and in some cases goes the other way, as in some European countries.

Another way of looking at 'homes for Asians' is 'homes for the locals', since the area in question is 60% Asian. In most areas, tailoring housing supply to housing demand is called 'capitalism' or 'market economics', but when the demand comes from people with brown skins and Korans it's apparently unfair favouritism. Double standards, I see. What's the alternative, deliberately supply unsuitable housing to people?

Again, in most areas 'homes suitable for locals' sounds like good policy, local democracy in action. But when BNP racists get involved it's cries of 'what about the indigenous population?' and 'discrimination against whites' and similar b$ll$cks. Remember the rumours in east London about 'homes for Africans' that were sourced directly from the BNP, and were lies? Don't fall for their *****.

I've looked at the BNP website, and they're evidently a bunch of racist morons using carefully coded language to attract the thick. I've looked at their record in local government and they're a bunch of racist morons who do a damned disgraceful job of representing the people stupid enough to vote for them (who still deserve representation, after all, unless you want to have IQ tests at polling stations).

[freezin]

Public housing allocation should be colour, race and religion blind. And policy makers should remember they can't carry on milking the tax payer for ever.

Originally Posted by dooper768

At the last general election i voted for the BNP becuase they are a legitimate political party and have a right to exist AND because i couldn't vote for any of the other parties.

I agree that the BNP are a legit party, but it's pretty strange that former Thatcher voters vote for them. They were even touting themselves as the Labour Party your grandparents would have voted for.

There was an alternative ...
http://www.oldham.gov.uk/council/ele...ction-2005.htm

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by punky

Well, when reports like this come to light, its hard to blame people who think the BNP is the only escape from this.

I've never voted BNP (see my signature which has remained fair consistent for.. oooh... 3 years give or take) However, if I am being forced to become a second class citizen in my own country I will take action.

I'd either:

1) Move out... something my family have done, and has rewarded them handsomely.

2) Support the party who I think will redress the balance and make sure I (i.e. white male 18-65) am treated fairly and equivilently with other ethic groups.

Regarding point 1...

I have travelled a fair bit, and the one thing that strikes me most is that people are on the whole fairly similar, wherever you go. Exactly where do you suggest "moving out" to? People in this country often fail to realise that life is pretty good here, actually. Most people in most other countries have a far harder life than we have here in Britain.

[punky]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Exactly where do you suggest "moving out" to? People in this country often fail to realise that life is pretty good here, actually.

The US for starters. It hasn't done my family any harm. Or Canada, lovely place. Or Australia. Or anywhere that'll give me a better life for myself than in the UK. Patience waiting for things to get better is wearing thin.

Life used to be good in Britain.... Its been descending downhill at an impressive rate. Because of my job and family, I come into contact with a lot of families who are willing to spend £10k-£20k+ just to escape Britain. That's basic immigration and visa costs to the US and doesn't include a lot. They don't come to descisions like that based on a couple of frivilous issues.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Escapee

No, but the council can turn around and say "Sorry, a 4 bedroom house is the largest we have, take it or leave it"

The Asian way of life as put in another post, happens in Asia because there is no such thing as government handouts. In this country they "usually" buy a big house for all the family to squeeze into, to centralise all their money in one pot. For the council to build big houses to suit there culture is unbelievable, that is letting them use the parts of our culture that are convenient as an add on to their own.

The Asian idea of all the money in a pot mainly stems from Pakistan, thats why we had so much problems getting the Paakistanis to work in my last place of employment. "I can only work 30 hours a week for religious reasons" and "No I cannot stay and work on a minute longer to help get this important job out the door"

Religion was not the reason, the reason was anything they earned went into the pot to be shared by all the family. These guys didn't want to work overtime and share it amongst the members of the family who were too lazy to work.

It seems somewhat ironic that the council is funding housing for people with this attitude and culture, when they themsleves are unwilling to work a minute longer than they need to put their x amount in the pot.

Your explanation of the Asian idea is the biggest piece of rubbish Ive read in a long time. Maybe it applied to a few people in your workplace, but in all my experience of asian families I know and have grown up with (I am asian myself), this has never been the case.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by punky

The US for starters. It hasn't done my family any harm. Or Canada, lovely place. Or Australia. Or anywhere that'll give me a better life for myself than in the UK. Patience waiting for things to get better is wearing thin.

Life used to be good in Britain.... Its been descending downhill at an impressive rate. Because of my job and family, I come into contact with a lot of families who are willing to spend £10k-£20k+ just to escape Britain. That's basic immigration and visa costs to the US and doesn't include a lot. They don't come to descisions like that based on a couple of frivilous issues.

punky, I've told you before that you can't move to Australia - they've got rocks that'll jump up and bite you

[j52c]

Originally Posted by Damien

it was not FOR them, it was designed witht hem in mind. The houses were on offer to all. Not just Asians

Well, I saw the news report on the tv and it showed you the kitchen explaining it was designed for Asian cooking, also showed you the toilet explaing it was facing a certain way.

Sure looks like it was designed for them.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by j52c

Well, I saw the news report on the tv and it showed you the kitchen explaining it was designed for Asian cooking, also showed you the toilet explaing it was facing a certain way.

Sure looks like it was designed for them.

A toilet facing a certain way will not stop anyone else using it will it? Therefore its designed for everyone but also taken into consideration a factor from the prospective "asian users" in its design.

Its business isnt it mate, to make your products as attractive as possible to all users, you design them with as many preferences to make your product better.

DOes that make it clearer to you that the toilets can be indeed used and therefore designed for everyone as well as "asians"

[arcamalpha2004]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

A toilet facing a certain way will not stop anyone else using it will it? Therefore its designed for everyone but also taken into consideration a factor from the prospective "asian users" in its design.

Its business isnt it mate, to make your products as attractive as possible to all users, you design them with as many preferences to make your product better.

DOes that make it clearer to you that the toilets can be indeed used and therefore designed for everyone as well as "asians"

So that is favouring asians, it is imo anyway, I dont want some weird looking karzee

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

So that is favouring asians, it is imo anyway, I dont want some weird looking karzee

What's weird about it facing in a specific direction? It's not like Asians in general like to use the toilet whilst hanging from the ceiling. Let's face it, the chances are that the toilet in my house faces in a different direction to the one in yours - there's nothing sinister there, it's just the way it works sometimes

[Damien]

In other words, gaint who cares about the Direction a tolet is facing. People are more bothered that Asians were favoured than the actual effect on everyone else which is none. (Unless your a very picky werido)

[arcamalpha2004]

Originally Posted by Nugget

What's weird about it facing in a specific direction? It's not like Asians in general like to use the toilet whilst hanging from the ceiling. Let's face it, the chances are that the toilet in my house faces in a different direction to the one in yours - there's nothing sinister there, it's just the way it works sometimes

It is a problem to me if it has been installed with asians in mind, favouritism imo.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

It is a problem to me if it has been installed with asians in mind, favouritism imo.

Of course it's not favouritism - as has been stated earlier in this thread, if the toilet has been positioned so that it could be used by Asians (although I have absolutely no idea what the difference is), this simply serves to maximise the potential number of families who may be offered the property. As such, that isn't favouritism, it's simple economics with sound business sense...

[Xaccers]

I suppose some people thought the first houses up north to have inside toilets were clasist showing favouritism to the upper classes?