Israel and Lebanon

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by punky

ok, so that is sick cubed. How sick is this then?

Sick x 10 to the power of....?

And those really sick evil victims of 9/11 who sent messages to the US army for use on bombs against the Taliban/Al Qaeda.

I could not agree with you more, although there is a difference imo, when I see people like the Taliban or Hamas do it, I think what a bunch of nutters and then feel sorry for the child, what chance have they got in that environment but when you see a first world nation allowing their children to do it, well it does make me question their mentality tbh.

[punky]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I could not agree with you more, although there is a difference imo, when I see people like the Taliban or Hamas do, it I think what a bunch of nutters and then feel sorry for the child, what chance have they got in that environment but when you see a first world nation allowing their children to do it, well it does make me question their mentality tbh.

You said it youself... A difference. There is a world of difference between writing a message on a bomb and dressing up your kid with live guns and explosives.

I mean... If she isn't allowed to write it on a bomb, can she think it or say it out allowed? Is she not allowed to wish someone dead - someone who may have been responsible for her family members being killed?

Where is this line? And if as it appears to be coming from TW that its OK for adults to do it and not children... then someone who is 17 years 11 months, has to wait another month? At what age does it become acceptable to have an opinion.

Call me sick, but if Hezbollah killed my family, i'd want them dead. I don't think that's an unreasonable human response.

Originally Posted by punky

ok, so that is sick cubed. How sick is this then?

Sick x 10 to the power of....?

And those really sick evil victims of 9/11 who sent messages to the US army for use on bombs against the Taliban/Al Qaeda.

Punky,

Did you thoroughly check some of those pictures?

At least one shows a little boy with a toy gun.

theres definately 2 photoshopped ones, little kid runing along the israeli flag, check out what I think is supposed to be a desert eagle in his hand.

And the baby with the elongated arms and adult hands holding two automatic rifles.
Things like this destroy the credibility of some of the no doubt genuine pictures.

I guess theres crap on both sides, however Israel needs to be condemned for its actions.
Its allegedly a developed country, a country that has a huge chip on its shoulders, a country that has constantly been spoiling for a war with its arab neighbours and bleets self defence everytime.
A country that up until recently was a major occuping force. That has started wars and grabbed territory in the past. That relies on the fact the west back it.

As for the actions after 9/11 yes that too was sick. There is no place for that kind of behaviour in the world, especially in a developed country.
Adults is one thing and something I can deal with, kids is something else.

But I guess I am just simply being anti sematic (I seem to be good at collecting slurs of a racial nature against me here). Israel is not just defending itself, it is carrying out a ground war, i.e invading another country. Israel has been spoiling for this for a long time. It refuses to recognise UN troops and has grudgingly notioned it MAY respect NATO troops. That is not the actions of a country that is as innocent as Israel claims to be.

Israel has carried out some serious attrocities on the palestinians and continues to do so with the events of the last 2 weeks.

Like it or not, Israel MUST be condemned by the world powers to STOP this turning into a free for all.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by punky

You said it youself... A difference. There is a world of difference between writing a message on a bomb and dressing up your kid with live guns and explosives.

I mean... If she isn't allowed to write it on a bomb, can she think it or say it out allowed? Is she not allowed to wish someone dead - someone who may have been responsible for her family members being killed?

Perhaps if she was not writing on it there would be no need for her to think about bombs at all and if she is allowed to wish some one dead hopefully she will have been told that the shell is more likley to kill a child just like her than a terrorist, if people want children to grow up quick at least keep them informed of the facts.

[Fibonacci poem]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

if people want children to grow up quick at least keep them informed of the facts.

facts, schmacts

there's nothing right about a war - only who is left

Poodle Blair does whatever Bush tels him to do - fact

Incidentally - when Palestine was a British protectorate the 'Jews' captured and hung two British army sargeants. (anybody remember the Stern gang who was going to 'beat the dog in his own kennel' by waging a bombing campaign in London in retaliation for the 'Jews' not being let into the Palestinian protectorate fast enough).

Methinks that big money is at work somewhere along the way

[TheDaddy]

I also seem to remember them sending letter bombs through the post to the families of British officers and I also know how these people are treated in Israel and how little remorse they have for their actions.

[Fibonacci poem]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

these people

can you clarify who 'these people' are?

[TheDaddy]

Yes I saw some of them interviewed not so long ago on the BBC, the documentary was about the blowing up of the King David hotel.

[Fibonacci poem]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes I saw some of them interviewed not so long ago on the BBC, the documentary was about the blowing up of the King David hotel.

yeah - they blew up their own hotel for some reason or other

wonder if the insurance documents were salvagable

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Fibonacci poem

yeah - they blew up their own hotel for some reason or other

wonder if the insurance documents were salvagable

Actually it was the headquarters of the British army and over 90 people were killed http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...277717,00.html read the end of the article, totally without remorse.

[Fibonacci poem]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Actually it was the headquarters of the British army and over 90 people were killed http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...277717,00.html read the end of the article, totally without remorse.

Equality...
Doesn't justice stand for all


incidentally - the Uk is still selling arms to Israel as fast as it can go under the term "successful exports" adn backed up by the export guarantee scheme - meaning you and i pay for it through taxes (or two thirds of or whatever) should the recipient renage on the deal. Meanwhile - some pillock stands by a lathe in somewhere like sheffield and says "I only want better world for 't kids" as he mills out another cluster bomb

[jtwn]

Originally Posted by Bengie

Israel has never been the aggressor, they only ever respond to provocation and attacks on their gentle and pieceloving nation. They just want to be left alone and get on with their lives, the same as you and me.

Unbelievable.

One can only deduce that you must have been reading or listening to some maligned American or Jewish account of history over the past century.

[basa]

I wonder if anyone here can remember when the Jewish nation were EVER allowed to live in peace with their neighbours ??

[punky]

Originally Posted by basa

I wonder if anyone here can remember when the Jewish nation were EVER allowed to live in peace with their neighbours ??

From about 4,000BC till around 600AD

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Punky,

Did you thoroughly check some of those pictures?

At least one shows a little boy with a toy gun.

Wow some of the 148 are toy guns! omg how wrong we must be to think that the Palestinians are sick by teaching their kids to kill Jews when only some out of the 148 images show kids wiht toy guns (while others show them with real guns and being trained how to use them)!

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

theres definately 2 photoshopped ones, little kid runing along the israeli flag, check out what I think is supposed to be a desert eagle in his hand.

This image?


Doesn't look like a DE to me, more like a M93R, much smaller. (assuming it's a gun, which isn't clear in that image, it could be a lolly pop)

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

And the baby with the elongated arms and adult hands holding two automatic rifles.

You mean this one?

Which shows those large "photoshopped" hands actually belong to the adult behind who's holding the assault rifles for the kid?

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

Things like this destroy the credibility of some of the no doubt genuine pictures.

Not really, the point being (you may have missed it being called "PalestinianChildAbuse" )that in PA controlled areas, kids aren't being taught how to live in harmony with other human beings, they're being taught how Jews should be wiped off the face of the Earth, and how they should revere suicide bombers and terrorist leaders. It is not "oh no Palestinians let their kids hold guns how terrible"

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

I guess theres crap on both sides, however Israel needs to be condemned for its actions.
Its allegedly a developed country, a country that has a huge chip on its shoulders, a country that has constantly been spoiling for a war with its arab neighbours and bleets self defence everytime.

Oh really?
Israel attacked its neighbours first in 1948 did it?
I suppose Israel asked Egypt to blockade the Straits of Tiran and the Suez canal back in '56?
I suppose the idea that Syria tried to divert the river Jordan away from Israel (and Jordan incidently) was a Zionist hoax and Syria never fired on civilian tractors trying to farm in the Israeli side of the demilitarised zone?
Lets not forget that Jordan stole Israeli land until it was taken back at the next Arab started war.
I supposes that in '67 the Arab nations weren't actually planning an attack, they all just chose to stretch their legs (of course it was quite a stretch for the Iraqi forces I'm sure you'll agree).
In '73 what happend? Did the Israelis go up to the border and stick their tongues out and shout "Come and have a go if you think your hard enough?" or were they all celebrating Yom Kippur?

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

A country that up until recently was a major occuping force. That has started wars and grabbed territory in the past. That relies on the fact the west back it.

Other than the Suez (which the American's brought to a halt) which of the times Israel was attacked and fought back (oh wait, you don't think that ever happened) did the West get involved in the fighting?
Don't forget, they tried to give Gaza back to Egypt, who refused to take it.
I suppose you think Gibraltar should also be given back, along with the Falklands?

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

But I guess I am just simply being anti sematic (I seem to be good at collecting slurs of a racial nature against me here). Israel is not just defending itself, it is carrying out a ground war, i.e invading another country. Israel has been spoiling for this for a long time.

Ah of course, how silly of me, not seeing that withdrawing from Gaza and building a security wall to disable most of the terrorists ability to attack is obviously a rouse for attacking Lebanon!

Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

It refuses to recognise UN troops and has grudgingly notioned it MAY respect NATO troops. That is not the actions of a country that is as innocent as Israel claims to be.

Lets see, the UN play a major role in Gaza and the West Bank. They also play quite a large role in enabling terrorist attacks on Israel from those areas. Quite often UN vehicles are used to smuggle explosives through checkpoints, when the terrorists don't use ambulances to do the same, so I'm sure you can imagine why Israel wouldn't be too please having a non-ally with a proven record of not being trust worthy in charge of Israel's northern security, hence why they have said they would like (not may, but would like) a NATO force in the area, because that force would be more likely to actually do things to keep the peace rather than just be a group of blue berets running away in the distance.