Is this racist? - Page 2

TheNorm · 13-07-2006, 08:51

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"it is based on the lie that all people, races and cultures are equal and that no one race or culture is better than any other"

This is NOT a lie - this is a fundamental principle of civilisation! The "lie" is to say that "people who are more intelligent are better".

basa · 13-07-2006, 08:56

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Originally Posted by orangebird

<sarcasm on> Tsk Tsk people. What you seem to be forgetting is that it's only NOT racist if the Commission for Racial Equality had used the stat as another way of bleeting about how underpriviledged ethnics are and deserve their own schools. Of course it's racist, as white middleclass man said it.... <sarcasm off>

LOL ! Unfortunately closer to the truth than is desirable.

orangebird · 13-07-2006, 09:02

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Originally Posted by basa

LOL ! Unfortunately closer to the truth than is desirable.

Maybe I should have left the sarcasm bits out, because what I posted is what I believe...

Salu · 13-07-2006, 11:56

I think this is a slap in the face for freedom of speech and Dr Ellis is a victim of political correctness.

We seem to be living in an environment where only one point of view can be expressed; the politically correct one. If you don't conform to that point of view then woe betide you....We are in danger of losing our diversity.

Whether we agree with what he said or not is irrelavent as he should have the freedom to express his point of view. Especially at a university where debate and discussion are supposedly encouraged.

As OB alluded that if the CRE had come out with the antithesis of this then there would have been much less noise made and I resent that tbh as it demeans the last letter of the above abbreviation.....(E)quality.

Bender · 13-07-2006, 12:09

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Originally Posted by Salu

I think this is a slap in the face for freedom of speech and Dr Ellis is a victim of political correctness.

We seem to be living in an environment where only one point of view can be expressed; the politically correct one. If you don't conform to that point of view then woe betide you....We are in danger of losing our diversity.

Whether we agree with what he said or not is irrelavent as he should have the freedom to express his point of view. Especially at a university where debate and discussion are supposedly encouraged.

As OB alluded that if the CRE had come out with the antithesis of this then there would have been much less noise made and I resent that tbh as it demeans the last letter of the above abbreviation.....(E)quality.

absolutely spot on.

foreverwar · 13-07-2006, 12:15

Depends

Was he saying it to promote discussion, and to raise an issue that needed to be addressed?

or

Was he saying it to provoke reaction, and to try and annoy people.

There is a difference between free speech and running about shouting "Fire, Fire!" - the difference between free speech and hate speech.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
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AndrewJ · 13-07-2006, 12:26

Ok so he made a single statement and is hushed out of his job.

Now if the asian teacher made the same statement aimed towards a white person what would be the outcome.

Nothing would be said as it would be racist to call the black guy racist.

Mr Angry · 13-07-2006, 12:39

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Originally Posted by Felinix_Devotion

Ok so he made a single statement and is hushed out of his job.

Now if the asian teacher made the same statement aimed towards a white person what would be the outcome.

Nothing would be said as it would be racist to call the black guy racist.

Where did "the black guy" come into it?

13-07-2006, 12:46

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Originally Posted by Russ D

In this day and age, I don't think you can seriously get away with stating something like that (whether it's true or not) without expecting a massive backlash.

So what you really mean is because of political corrrectness, we now cannot state truth?

The backlash over this is disgusting. This man is educated, spent a great deal of time passing on his knowledge to others, and now because of some students who disagreed with a comment he made, his career has been cut short.

I say suspend the students, after all, if they took exception to this and drummed up this support, they are the trouble makers.

Mr Angry · 13-07-2006, 12:54

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Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

So what you really mean is because of political corrrectness, we now cannot state truth?

The backlash over this is disgusting. This man is educated, spent a great deal of time passing on his knowledge to others, and now because of some students who disagreed with a comment he made, his career has been cut short.

I say suspend the students, after all, if they took exception to this and drummed up this support, they are the trouble makers.

It's not "truth".

The Bell Curve Theory ("Theory" being the operative word) has long and oft been discredited as a work of "scientific bunkum" in that the base sample criteria were "loaded" in favour of a desired and predetermined outcome.

Yes, he is educated - as such he should know better.

13-07-2006, 12:57

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

It's not "truth".

The Bell Curve Theory ("Theory" being the operative word) has long and oft been discredited as a work of "scientific bunkum" in that the base sample criteria were "loaded" in favour of a desired and predetermined outcome.

Yes, he is educated - as such he should know better.

I was quoting in reference to what russ said. NOT the case of this lecturer. thats why there is spacing between the lines.
Thats why i quoted russ. and not the OP.

Mr Angry · 13-07-2006, 13:04

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Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

I was quoting in reference to what russ said. NOT the case of this lecturer. thats why there is spacing between the lines.
Thats why i quoted russ. and not the OP.

Sorry - But I quoted what you said (wrote) which seems, quite specifically, to relate to the case in question.

orangebird · 13-07-2006, 13:07

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Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

I was quoting in reference to what russ said. NOT the case of this lecturer. thats why there is spacing between the lines.
Thats why i quoted russ. and not the OP.

That's how I read it too

someone clearly needs to get laid.

Mr Angry · 13-07-2006, 13:20

OK, for clarity - and without your quoting of Russ.

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Originally Posted by timewarrior2001

The backlash over this is disgusting. This man is educated, spent a great deal of time passing on his knowledge to others, and now because of some students who disagreed with a comment he made, his career has been cut short.

I say suspend the students, after all, if they took exception to this and drummed up this support, they are the trouble makers.

Certainly seems to be relevant and specific to the matter at hand.

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

The Bell Curve Theory ("Theory" being the operative word) has long and oft been discredited as a work of "scientific bunkum" in that the base sample criteria were "loaded" in favour of a desired and predetermined outcome.

Yes, he is educated - as such he should know better.

Even from an academic perspective why should a university be expected to endorse the teachings of something as controversial and fundamentally flawed as the Bell Curve Theory by someone with the "baggage" that this guy has?

Bender · 13-07-2006, 13:21

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Originally Posted by Felinix_Devotion

Ok so he made a single statement and is hushed out of his job.

Now if the asian teacher made the same statement aimed towards a white person what would be the outcome.

Nothing would be said as it would be racist to call the black guy racist.

I agree with that statement. Take a look at the film "White Chicks". Now if 2 white guys dressed up as black women and behaved in a 'stereotypical' fashion of big black women, would that go down well? no. and it sure as hell would NEVER be released as a film!!!!! imagine the outcry.....