What's YOUR View....??? - Page 3

AndrewJ · 11-07-2006, 01:12

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Originally Posted by Damien

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Originally Posted by Felinix_Devotion

Right on the point there, but religion does have a standing, some countries hold their beliefs so close that they are unwilling to accomondate other people living in their borders who follow another belief and sadly fighting occures because of this.

Not all of it is for OIL or power.

If you look at a lot of previous wars that were claimed to be in the name of religion you can see another reason behind it. I think religion is used by people to either motivate or explain way their actions.

You can look at the middle east for examples of how religion is involked over nothing more than simply disputes over land.

Onto your point about religion their in your post, religion is a problem look in France with Asian girls being told to remove headscarfs yet youths are fine in hoodies and baseball caps, once we are more tolerant of things like this violence and hatred will cease, and some only a small percentage of the violence is motivated by intolerance of a nations or group's beliefs.

No one like being oppressed in this world, but sadly alot of people are scared of difference and change.

sarahlouise45 · 11-07-2006, 01:14

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Originally Posted by Felinix_Devotion

Why?

I meant the unemployment figures relating to governmental employees and those that work within the Nuclear departments etc... that kind of unemployment. However, in response to what you said, there would be alot more opportunities out there if there was World Peace. (it's getting a bit late for me now so i apologise now if i'm not making sense! Hope you get the gist of it though!)

AndrewJ · 11-07-2006, 01:16

Aye Sarah I am due up at 9am

ahh well.

I see your point and the standing down in the future of Nuclear weapons would only be a good thing, their would be openings for building of more useful things, as helping countries improve there infastructure and technology and medical training, plus offering education to them, all it requires is alot of hard work and time from every nation. It is possible.

**Russ B** · 11-07-2006, 06:32

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Originally Posted by Felinix_Devotion

Someone makes a good thread up for discussion and you immediatly resort to just what was said in your teams behaviour thread as not suitable...nice.

No, someone makes a thread which has been done to death and always ends up with the same people wheeling out the same tired old cliches over and over again.

zinglebarb · 11-07-2006, 06:37

When will people realise that it isnt God or religions fault there isnt world peace? its all in the hands of man,mans greed is to blame for the woes of the world.
Its easy for people to sit and blame the book that was written a few thousand years ago or a God who many now do not believe in.
MANKIND is the responsable for their actions no one else

littld · 11-07-2006, 06:42

Quote from Lois aged 7:

"You couldn't make everyone in the world love each other. They don't even get on in a block of flats."

huxleypiguk · 11-07-2006, 06:45

If somone who wears a Swansea FC shirt wishes to pound the head of a fellow human being simply because they wear a shirt with Cardiff FC on it, where is the religion in that ? Was the Falklands religion based ?

When at the heart of true Chritianity is the message "Love your neighbour", how can that be the heart of conflict.

Simple fact therefore must be that people hide behind labels in the name of conflict (see the Crusades on both sides for details). At the heart of all is self and the desire to satisify self.

That is the heart of conflict

Nugget · 11-07-2006, 07:37

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Originally Posted by Acathla

World Peace - if ever possible is a long long way off.

First lets work on inner peace - peace with your own body and your own mind.
Then lets work on peace with our neighbours.
Then lets try and work on peace within our towns and cities.
Then once we have a country at peace with each other can we start to look at peace with others.

As you can probably see, it aint going to be anytime soon...

Blimey, who let the hippys in?

**Mick** · 11-07-2006, 07:44

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Originally Posted by Russ D

No, someone makes a thread which has been done to death and always ends up with the same people wheeling out the same tired old cliches over and over again.

This subject doesn't get done to death, but more so some people get too wound up by other peoples views and end up arguing over *petty* things really, which usually always ends up in the threads in question getting closed before they get a chance to get done to death.

Scarlett · 11-07-2006, 08:10

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Originally Posted by sarahlouise45

" The day when the world comes to realise that you can live a good life without following a load of crap written thousands of years ago by people who nobody can prove ever existed is the day when we can aim for world peace. "

If he'd ever taken time to read the Bible then he'd know that it does preach peace and understanding. oh look so does the Koran. It's just that it gets twisted by extremists to make it say what they want to say to justify killing people. Of course you can live a good life without religion in your life but equally you can live a good life with religion in your life. If that works for some people then why get rid of it ? Religion is just used as an excuse along with land, skin colour, oil* etc. to start wars, if we didn't have religion then hell we have plenty of other reasons** so it ain't going to get you world peace.

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Originally Posted by sarahlouise45

In my opinion, I just don't think we'll ever see World Peace anyway. Times have changed so much that it'll just never happen.

We could just give every Tom, Dick and Harry*** a nuclear weapon and wait for the first one to be set off. once the dust settles and humanity is wiped out it'll be very peaceful .

The real issue is that while someone has something that someone else wants but won't share it with others then we will continue to have 'disagreements' when this is kids, you get a fight, tears and probably a telling off but when you talking about countries you get wars. Until the Human race grows up and starts acting responsibly then your going to get countries going to war over the latest 'lego set'. This ain't going to happen until there are fair consequences for your actions. Mr Bush and Mr Blair arn't going to be put in jail or executed for perpetrating a war in Iraq that was based on their love of oil. Until we reach a stage where the leaders responsble carry the can if/when it is shown that the war was just so they could have a new lego set we have no chance of world peace. If the leaders and generals had to fight to the death**** then I'm sure that many countries would decided that they didn't want the lego set in the first place.

So World peace is possible but until we collectivly grow up and start behaving responsibly then it ain't got a hope. First off we need to get rid of capitalism, then we just need to find someway that allows every one to share in what we can produce and the technology*****. Religion won't make this happen but it might be used as an excuse some extremists to justfy why they should get the lions share. On the other hand, these extremists might just decide that because they are Black of come from England that they should get the lions share. In short religion is an excuse, one of several, which will be used by those who want take things (like lego sets) by force and want to justify it.

Scarlett.

* Are you listening Mr Bush??? Your not convincing anyone you know.
** and no Mr Bush, 'God told me' doesn't count...
*** and Scarlett, I want one too ! :-)
****Rather than the Army, navy, airforce, tube travellers, etc...
***** Not Communism! it works great in theory but then you put Humans into the equation and suddenly you have some who are 'more equal' than others.

orangebird · 11-07-2006, 08:15

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Originally Posted by Scarlett

If he'd ever taken time to read the Bible then he'd know that it does preach peace and understanding. oh look so does the Koran. <snip>

Sorry, I have to dispute that, with both books. Both books preach that you have to follow a certain life, or your damned. Very understanding. Not. I'm not going to post loads of bits and bobs in here (do a search on posts I've made about the Koran in particular, escpecially those about beating your wife...) and then come back and tell me it's about peace and understanding.

Halcyon · 11-07-2006, 08:22

There is always going to be someone with a different view to someone else.
What we need to aim for is getting people to tolerate and be accepting of other people's views and beliefs. We should respect each other instead of wanting to say one think is right over another thing. It is the people who can't accept that other people don't neccesarily believe the same thing as them that need to calm down and not make arguments and wars about it all.

punky · 11-07-2006, 08:25

We'll never have world peace, because of the way humans are made... Its nothing to do religion... Humans have used that as an excuse...

However, world peace isn't as nice as it first sounds...

Think about it... Lets say you can have world peace, but that means Saddam, Hitler, Mugabe, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Kim Jong Ill, etc, are/have to be allowed to remain in power. Would you still want world peace? I say no. I'd rather put up with a hundred wars and a hundred Iraqs if it means tyrants would be removed from power. Saddam's brutual rule stopped a civil war, a 1500 year old dispute.. Does that really make it OK?

There will always be tyrants coming into power and abusing their citizens. We should always reserve the right to use force to remove tyrants from power. Therefore, we should never have world peace, by choice. Not while the likes of Saddam exist and come into power.

Quote from Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

If that means no world peace, then so be it...

orangebird · 11-07-2006, 08:27

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

There is always going to be someone with a different view to someone else.
What we need to aim for is getting people to tolerate and be accepting of other people's views and beliefs. We should respect each other instead of wanting to say one think is right over another thing. It is the people who can't accept that other people don't neccesarily believe the same thing as them that need to calm down and not make arguments and wars about it all.

Anyone who 'tolerates' or accepts wife beating needs stringing up imo.

punky · 11-07-2006, 08:34

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Originally Posted by orangebird

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Originally Posted by Scarlett

If he'd ever taken time to read the Bible then he'd know that it does preach peace and understanding. oh look so does the Koran. <snip>

Sorry, I have to dispute that, with both books. Both books preach that you have to follow a certain life, or your damned. Very understanding. Not. I'm not going to post loads of bits and bobs in here (do a search on posts I've made about the Koran in particular, escpecially those about beating your wife...) and then come back and tell me it's about peace and understanding.

I've heard that about the Koran, but never read it, so I wouldn't know.

However... Noone says you have to follow the Bible word-for-word (Don't know if the same applies for the Koran, but given the diversity of Muslims, I presume so).

I've said it before... The Bible appears more evil than it really is because it was written in a time when certain things that were acceptable then, aren't now. Noone's saying you should follow the Bible word for word. I most certainly don't. The crucial, and only request is that you have to have faith. Faith in existance. There's nothing violent about that. Also, if you feel inclined you can follow the 10 commandments. Nothing violent in there either, its all about not murdering, stealing, and treating people with a bit of decency. Even if you don't follow those, you can still get redemption through faith.

Blaming the Bible (or Koran I suppose) for acts of violence, is like blaming Marilyn Manson for the Columbine massacre.