Government HAS lost the Plot

basa · 05-07-2006, 07:34

So it is confirmed...this government HAS lost the plot !

Not only are we told (as I have iterated before) the govt has no policy on population we now read that they have not done enough to win the 'hearts & minds' of Muslims.

The govt claims that in order to overcome the shortfall expected in pensions we need more young (immigrant) workers to top it up. BS, this is only delaying the shortfall to a later period when the present govt will no doubt be languishing in luxury in some foreign land.

In the meantime our social infrastructure is breaking under the strain of overpopulation.

The govt admits it has no idea how many illegals are here or how to deal with them, except possibly amnesty !! Oh lets lets give another green light to them. Not forgetting already that if illegals can claim the are victims of the sex trade they too can stay indefinitely. Great now the illegal immigrant traders can guarantee their clients will be able to stay !

And why should we as a nation be attempting to win the muslim hearts and minds. I say feck off - shouldn't they be trying to win ours rather than spreading fanatiscism ??

I think I'll emigrate to Spain and set up the British Ex-Pats Council of Spain and ask the Spanish govt for greater understanding of Britons need for free access to British chippies and warm beer and the right to wear Union Jack shorts and handkerchief headwear.

Ramrod · 05-07-2006, 07:37

Yup, it does rather make your blood boil......

eddie00001 · 05-07-2006, 09:12

I thought they lost it year ago - the Dome being a good example

05-07-2006, 10:28

All mainstream political parties have lost the plot. No wonder they want tax payer funding, they can't get enough donations through legitimate channels.

JadeFalcon · 05-07-2006, 10:40

aye i'll agree with that the gov has definetly lost the plot, but who would be a suitable replacement ? none of them that i can think of lol

05-07-2006, 11:13

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Originally Posted by eddie00001

I thought they lost it year ago - the Dome being a good example

Ermm the Mellenium Dome was the Conservatives idea in the early 90's, Labour was forced to foot the bill for building it.

**Damien** · 05-07-2006, 11:29

First of all many cost studys have reported it is actually cheaper to offer all ilegal immigrants the right to stay (an amnesty). Immgration has still contributed more to out society than taken.

The majority of immigrants do work, and pay taxes. Those that are costing the country money are being off-set by the working immigrants so they are actually contributed to our society than making the "social infrastructure is breaking under the strain of overpopulation".

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And why should we as a nation be attempting to win the muslim hearts and minds. I say feck off - shouldn't they be trying to win ours rather than spreading fanatiscism ??

You have just answered your own question! You think all muslims spread fanatiscism!? If you treat people like terrorists, if you treat them like outsiders then they are going to act like it.

You wonder why they dont intergrate more with the country? Maybe it is because outside their community they are met with such hostility and opinion such as that!

05-07-2006, 11:30

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Originally Posted by nidge

Ermm the Mellenium Dome was the Conservatives idea in the early 90's, Labour was forced to foot the bill for building it.

The Conservatives were responsible for the Dome in the first place (Heseltine's baby I think) but Labour could have cancelled it before buillding started. And Labour didn't foot the bill, the tax payer did.

**Maggy J** · 05-07-2006, 11:46

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Originally Posted by nidge

Ermm the Mellenium Dome was the Conservatives idea in the early 90's, Labour was forced to foot the bill for building it.

The Conservatives were responsible for the Dome in the first place (Heseltine's baby I think) but Labour could have cancelled it before buillding started. And Labour didn't foot the bill, the tax payer did.

They were in a no win situation.To cancel would be too expensive much more than continuing.Well on paper it was because in reality the costs escalated out of all proportion.Also (and this really stuck in my craw) a large amount of lottery money was thrown away on the project.

basa · 05-07-2006, 11:49

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Originally Posted by Damien

First of all many cost studys have reported it is actually cheaper to offer all ilegal immigrants the right to stay (an amnesty). Immgration has still contributed more to out society than taken.

The majority of immigrants do work, and pay taxes. Those that are costing the country money are being off-set by the working immigrants so they are actually contributed to our society than making the "social infrastructure is breaking under the strain of overpopulation".

In pure monetary terms that may well be the case (but I for one am not convinced), but what of the cost to living standards, social unrest, health and education etc. ?

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Originally Posted by Damien

You have just answered your own question! You think all muslims spread fanatiscism!? If you treat people like terrorists, if you treat them like outsiders then they are going to act like it.

No not all muslims spread fanatiscism, but enough do (how many does it take ?) and not enough condemn it. After all who started it ? And before you point to affairs in Asia v the West, I agree they do have legitimate concerns regarding the Wests activities there. But I am talking about Britain, if they held doubtful thoughts about British people before they came here, why come ?

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Originally Posted by Damien

You wonder why they dont intergrate more with the country? Maybe it is because outside their community they are met with such hostility and opinion such as that!

It is their lack of integration that causes the hostility and bad feeling not the other way around !

**Damien** · 05-07-2006, 12:09

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No not all muslims spread fanatiscism, but enough do (how many does it take ?) and not enough condemn it. After all who started it ? And before you point to affairs in Asia v the West, I agree they do have legitimate concerns regarding the Wests activities there. But I am talking about Britain, if they held doubtful thoughts about British people before they came here, why come ?

Well first of all, any muslims coming here to commit terrorist acts are terrorists. They came here for that purpose.

You seem to think that all muslims are immigrants. Many of them are now 3rd/4th generation and hence have been born here and grew up here, they did not choose too. These are the ones being targetted by these websites that promote commiting terrorist acts, it is usually without the knowledge of their parents who properly do like living and being english. Their children are brainwashed by the internet into commiting terrorists acts.

The people on 7/7 were british born, the danger comes from radical exteamist websites and preachers and not from immigrants.

Finally everyone else in the muslim population should not be held accountible for the acts of the few.

**Maggy J** · 05-07-2006, 12:13

With all due respect I as a non muslim can't answer your questions.Why don't you go and ask them rather than us.There must be any number of Muslim forums you can perhaps get an answer?

05-07-2006, 12:53

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Originally Posted by incognitas

They were in a no win situation.To cancel would be too expensive much more than continuing.Well on paper it was because in reality the costs escalated out of all proportion.

Do you have any figures for what the costs of cancelling would have been?

basa · 05-07-2006, 13:37

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well first of all, any muslims coming here to commit terrorist acts are terrorists. They came here for that purpose.

And your point being ... ?

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Originally Posted by Damien

You seem to think that all muslims are immigrants. Many of them are now 3rd/4th generation and hence have been born here and grew up here, they did not choose too. These are the ones being targetted by these websites that promote commiting terrorist acts, it is usually without the knowledge of their parents who properly do like living and being english. Their children are brainwashed by the internet into commiting terrorists acts.

The people on 7/7 were british born, the danger comes from radical exteamist websites and preachers and not from immigrants.

Finally everyone else in the muslim population should not be held accountible for the acts of the few.

How come then these 3rd & 4th generation muslims do not feel British, because if they did why would they wish to bring terror to their own countrymen (& women of course) ?

Could it be because they, like their parents and preachers, don't wish to be British but rather wish to convert Britain to a Muslim state ?

I see no effort from the muslim community to integrate and *belong* in Britain, all I see is a strong promotion of Islam, its ideals and social codes into a non muslim country.

**Damien** · 05-07-2006, 14:45

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How come then these 3rd & 4th generation muslims do not feel British, because if they did why would they wish to bring terror to their own countrymen (& women of course) ?

I do not know, maybe that is something that needs to be looked into more. I think they are being brainwashed by a few radical websites and preachers. Most muslims surely do not condone the attacks.

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Could it be because they, like their parents and preachers, don't wish to be British but rather wish to convert Britain to a Muslim state ?

Properly not. And I do not accept this is what muslim people as a whole want! Remember muslims died on September 11th and 7/7. This is a war against there own religion as it is the west. They are trying to use Islam to justify and find people for their own evil ends. They are killers.

Do you have any proof of your claims? I would be quite insulted by them if it was me.