allofmp3.com illegal..

[Chrysalis]

well, they either need to be satisfied with their still very respectable profits.

or lower their prices, they cant change the mindset of the world's population.

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Failing that another option is to add value for money.

I noticed that getting live TOTP appearances for instance is very hard, so they could include liver performance videos on the single cd as well as the standard music video, in good quality of course xvid format, not cheap mpeg stuff.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by littld

I can't wait for the BPI to be told they can't change international law on imports!

They don't need to change International Law. If they can lobby our government to make importing pirated songs illegal, that would serve their purpose.

Before you start getting too comfortable, bear in mind that our government has been remarkably accomodating to big business, and the record companies are huge.

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The problem the record companies have (as far as I can see) is not sites like allofmp3.com, or piracy. Even with the best protection in the world, there will always be people who will work to copy music. There will also always be people that download any music they can find for free. You can make the songs as cheap as you want, and add all the bells and whistles you want to the CDs, but you won't affect a lot of those people. They'll still download.

No, the problems are (and I have said this a few times) as follows

1. Some music is very formulaic. This is particularly noticable in the charts. If you don't sound like Alanis Morisette, Coldplay or a generic boy band, they don't seem interested.
2. Record companies aren't giving new bands enough time to mature. I don't like their music, but Atomic Kitten have been one of the most successful pop bands of recent times. They were FIRED by their record company when their third single didn't reach number 1. A similar thing seems to be happening with more musical bands.
3. Compilations. It seems that every song that is played more than once on the radio is released on a compilation album. What is the average punter's incentive to buy a single (with maybe 4 songs) @ £3.99 when he or she can probably get one or two of those songs and 30 others for £14.99?
   
   
   

Ok I download music for free for personal use and I dont distribute music.I dont use p2p or torrents for it either and ill only download tracks I like rarely full albums but sometimes if I liek the band.
The reason im not willing to pay is pure and simple.I refuse to be ripped off by multi national corperations who mass produce pap and get away with it.
I know my view isnt a good one to have but stuff em what do they do to me except inflict the likes of Take That upon me over and over again.
Do I feel guilty for my theft of copyrighted material?? Do I eck as like do you think they feel guilty when they rip some poor sap off on yet another Now thats what I call music??? (if you work for sony im lying and I pay for everything )

[Russ]

What makes me frustrated is the way the music industry wants to tell me (the customer) how I can enjoy music. I can only have it in this format, I'm not allowed to copy that etc - rubbish.

If an artist sells their work then the buyer can use it in any way they see fit as long as it's not passed off as their own work.

If I went to the Glyn Vivian art house in Swansea and bought a sculpture and the artist tells me I can only display it on a wednesday as long as I don't share the moment with anyone else, I'm going to tell him where he can stick his statue.

[SlackDad]

Originally Posted by Russ D

What makes me frustrated is the way the music industry wants to tell me (the customer) how I can enjoy music. I can only have it in this format, I'm not allowed to copy that etc - rubbish.

If an artist sells their work then the buyer can use it in any way they see fit as long as it's not passed off as their own work.

If I went to the Glyn Vivian art house in Swansea and bought a sculpture and the artist tells me I can only display it on a wednesday as long as I don't share the moment with anyone else, I'm going to tell him where he can stick his statue.

Not a like for like comparison. The piece of art is an original, in that there is only one of it. All music is a 'copy', in that there is no original as such. The artist is relying primarily on the one sale of that piece for income, and so would budget accordingly, whereas the musician is relying on multiple sales of a copy.

I suppose it would be more accurate, to an extent, to say that you walked into the gallery, paid the entrance fee, and then decided you didn't like the position of the piece so took it upon yourself to move it, so others could see it for free.

Theres still plenty of people buying records.These artists make plenty of cash and the producers are minted.Capitalism promotes greed so im being greedy just like them by keeping my cash in my pocket thank you very much

[Russ]

Originally Posted by SlackDad

Not a like for like comparison. The piece of art is an original, in that there is only one of it. All music is a 'copy', in that there is no original as such. The artist is relying primarily on the one sale of that piece for income, and so would budget accordingly, whereas the musician is relying on multiple sales of a copy.

I suppose it would be more accurate, to an extent, to say that you walked into the gallery, paid the entrance fee, and then decided you didn't like the position of the piece so took it upon yourself to move it, so others could see it for free.

Change my anaology to a painting - or even a newspaper.

[Chrysalis]

Stuart you are right that no matter how much they reduce prices piracy will always exist, but it will take a sharp downturn if music is more affordable.

Take for instance suddenly you can download a DRM free song for 20pence a shot I bet their would be huge take up. Its just digital data cost to them is minimal but turnover would shoot up.

Incentives to buy the more expensive cd could be made greater with the high quality live performances added as well as coupons enclosed for discounts to live events concerts etc.

[SlackDad]

Originally Posted by Russ D

Change my anaology to a painting - or even a newspaper.

But both of these cannot be easily copied and distributed by anybody with a bit of cheap equipment.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by SlackDad

But both of these cannot be easily copied and distributed by anybody with a bit of cheap equipment.

Scanners aren't cheap?

[Druchii]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Stuart you are right that no matter how much they reduce prices piracy will always exist, but it will take a sharp downturn if music is more affordable. Take for instance suddenly you can download a DRM free song for 20pence a shot I bet their would be huge take up. Its just digital data cost to them is minimal but turnover would shoot up. Incentives to buy the more expensive cd could be made greater with the high quality live performances added as well as coupons enclosed for discounts to live events concerts etc.

I'd be up for this type of buying, but of course it would mean a major re-think for the industry, and the question is... Will they even think about doing such a thing?

[SlackDad]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Stuart you are right that no matter how much they reduce prices piracy will always exist, but it will take a sharp downturn if music is more affordable.

Take for instance suddenly you can download a DRM free song for 20pence a shot I bet their would be huge take up. Its just digital data cost to them is minimal but turnover would shoot up.

Incentives to buy the more expensive cd could be made greater with the high quality live performances added as well as coupons enclosed for discounts to live events concerts etc.

I agree that music is overcharged, but i think we have to be careful simply assuming that lowering the cost is a panacea. For a start lowering the price, such as the pile it high, sell it cheap mentality of Tesco et al, stifles creativity by relying on standard, safe formulas, and reducing risk taking and boundary pushing. Secondly somebody has to pay the cost of low prices, and it isn't usually the large companies, but more likely the artist or poorly paid workers at the lower end of the scale, such as has happened in many other industries, i.e. clothing, or dare I say it, the outsourcing of call centres.

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Originally Posted by Russ D

Scanners aren't cheap?

Even the best scanners can't produce an original painting

[Russ]

Originally Posted by SlackDad

I agree that music is overcharged, but i think we have to be careful simply assuming that lowering the cost is a panacea. For a start lowering the price, such as the pile it high, sell it cheap mentality of Tesco et al, stifles creativity by relying on standard, safe formulas, and reducing risk taking and boundary pushing. Secondly somebody has to pay the cost of low prices, and it isn't usually the large companies, but more likely the artist or poorly paid workers at the lower end of the scale, such as has happened in many other industries, i.e. clothing, or dare I say it, the outsourcing of call centres.

Do you really think your average music buyer will stop and take all that in to consideration when they're about to buy their next album?

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Originally Posted by SlackDad

Even the best scanners can't produce an original painting

Songs with lower music quality are often crammed on to CDs to save money - touche

Originally Posted by Russ D

Scanners aren't cheap?

yes they are http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/searc...e&intStoreID=4

[Chrysalis]

for the 20p a shot obviously that would be based on buying in bulk so say.

99p per song
£2 for 4 songs
£5 for 25 songs