Step too far??

dd2k · 30-05-2006, 23:13

hi ive just seen this over on the bbc website. the US are demanding information about all passangers flying from europe including addresses and credit card detail.

i cant help but wonder, with the recent demands of search engine data and now this, why do they really need to know this much?. are they taking there battle over terrorism too far, are us law abiding citizens being exposed for something we havnt done

BBC News

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The agreement demands that within 15 minutes of take-off for the United States, a European airline must send the US authorities 34 items of personal information about the passengers on board.

danielf · 30-05-2006, 23:34

I am struggling to think of 34 items of personal information they could send, and that's counting first and last name plus every line of the address separately. It does make you wonder.

dd2k · 30-05-2006, 23:41

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Originally Posted by danielf

I am struggling to think of 34 items of personal information they could send, and that's counting first and last name plus every line of the address separately. It does make you wonder.

thats what i thought, it really must go into complete details, of your name, address. phone numbers, credit card details, flights, inurense etc i wonder if it will all be revealed when the european parliment have looked over it

danielf · 30-05-2006, 23:46

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Originally Posted by dd2k

thats what i thought, it really must go into complete details, of your name, address. phone numbers, credit card details, flights, inurense etc i wonder if it will all be revealed when the european parliment have looked over it

Well, the ruling actually says there is no legal basis for all this info to be shared, but it won't be effective until 30 september.

dd2k · 30-05-2006, 23:53

cant see US blocking inbound flights from europe but intriged to see how they react. i cant see them getting away with fineing either.

uk1trev · 31-05-2006, 00:10

next we will all have to have chips like dogs and cats etc

we are just numbers after all.

31-05-2006, 00:17

The United States of Paranoia.

Gareth · 31-05-2006, 00:45

Quite why they want to know how many airmiles I have accumulated (one of the 34 items in question) is beyond me

31-05-2006, 05:36

All this on top of our lot telling us not to give our personal information out.

spiderplant · 31-05-2006, 07:43

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Originally Posted by danielf

I am struggling to think of 34 items of personal information they could send, and that's counting first and last name plus every line of the address separately. It does make you wonder.

I think 34 is a bit of a journalistic simplification. The agreement was to provide the entire PNR for the current journey.

"The Passenger Name Record (PNR) is the generic name given to the files created by the airlines for each journey any passenger books. They are stored in the airlines' reservation and departure control databases. PNR allows all the different agents within the air industry (from the travel agent and the computer reservation systems (CRS) to the carrier and the handling agents at the airports) to recognise each passenger and have access to all relevant information related to his/her journey: departure and return flights, connecting flights (if any), special services required on board the flight, etc.

The number and nature of fields of information in a PNR system will vary from airline to airline. There are approximately 20-25 possible fields of PNR data, some of which include subsets of information, expanding the total to approximately 60 fields and sub-fields."

Don't worry, it doesn't include how many air miles you've got.

King Of Fools · 31-05-2006, 08:08

This information has been supplied for a while now.
http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb...ndex/index.jsp

The European Court of Justice has said they are going to stop it from September so I would not expect any problems until then.