Plot to kidnap Leo Blair - Page 2

**Chris** · 18-01-2006, 11:36

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Originally Posted by david.ewles

I strongly doubt that the regular members of F4J are behind this, as news report suggest it extremist exmembers

I would have a guess the F4J are as angery as the rest of us.

So it seems.

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F4J leader Matt O'Connor announced last night that he was suspending the operations of the group pending enquiries into allegations contained on the cover of this mornings Sun Newspaper that 'extremist sympathisers' associated with the group had planned to kidnap the Prime Minister's Son, Leo Blair.
F4J say they condemn any such action unreservedly and that the group is increasingly having it's name 'hijacked' by a growing number of militant extremists and that it would seriously consider the long term viability of the campaign.

http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/

Salu · 18-01-2006, 14:53

I suspect that in organisations such as this that although they were set up with a valid complaint, with time will attract extremists who taint the original intentions.
In fact, I think that the desire to be extremist can be addictive like a drug and progressively necessitates the need to be more and more radical each time.

etccarmageddon · 18-01-2006, 17:33

there was a woman being interviewed on the radio news this morning who said she was from.... "The Real Fathers for Justice"

a quick check reveals this site:-

http://men.typepad.com/rffj/

What next?

Will a politicial wing emerge?

Will we have a 'Continuity Fathers for Justice"? or a "Provisional Fathers for Justice"?

All we can hope for now is that there is a cessation of hostilities and that this organisation isn't used as a front for drug running and other activities in order to fund their terrorist 'campaign'.

cookie_365 · 18-01-2006, 19:00

Presumably the people who came up with this 'idea' are men the courts have denied contact with their children.

I wonder why ....

Paul · 18-01-2006, 19:39

Anyone seen the news ticker on the BBC site? F4J are disbanding

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4626106.stm

Ramrod · 18-01-2006, 20:23

I've just had a horrible thought......I hope that this doesn't kick off a spate of kiddy kidnappings.......I can see the eastern european mafia trying something like this

sir_drinks_alot · 18-01-2006, 20:28

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4626106.stm

Their going to disband and a good thing to

Paul · 18-01-2006, 20:41

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Originally Posted by sir_drinks_alot

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4626106.stm

Their going to disband and a good thing to

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Damien · 18-01-2006, 20:58

Well the Commons act really did start making them seem more radical. Shame, a few peaceful and funny protests get the issue out there and get support. More radical ones simply make the story about the act and the true motives of the group instead of the issue

**Chris** · 19-01-2006, 09:46

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Originally Posted by sir_drinks_alot

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4626106.stm

Their going to disband and a good thing to

Why? Do you think the current way the family courts work is already entirely fair? For that matter, do you know anything about the issue at all?

Damien · 19-01-2006, 09:51

I think the current group will be too damaged to keep raising the issue, the fact that we have been talking but their exploits for a while rather than the Issue highlight the problem.

Someone posted another group that are campaigning for the same cause so hopefully they will continue to push the issue

NitroNutter · 20-01-2006, 20:14

Wow that just seems to easy. Bet the government etc could not be happier with the final outcome seeing as its highly unlikley any group could get away with such an attempt as that.

The Q is was it a real threat or an infiltrate and sabotage attempt that went just how it was planned.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

wtf......why were they after him?

Plain and simple answer "ransom" and the only really feasible way was to attack a part that couldnt fight back if succesful.

Ramrod · 20-01-2006, 20:27

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Originally Posted by NitroNutter

Plain and simple answer "ransom" and the only really feasible way was to attack a part that couldnt fight back if succesful.

Are you that rich? Or were they from a relatively poor part of town?

Vlad_Dracul · 23-01-2006, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Russ D

If that turns out to be true then I'll publically withdraw all my previous support for F4J.

IMHO this is a non story,one of a few that were floated,probably to cover up Ruth Kelly's tracks ?. Anyway the Blairs dont seem that bothered about security or their sons. Wasnt one of them pickup up lying drunk one night in Picadilly?. Surely no need for kidnap plots there then.

punky · 23-01-2006, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Chris T

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Originally Posted by sir_drinks_alot

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4626106.stm

Their going to disband and a good thing to

Why? Do you think the current way the family courts work is already entirely fair? For that matter, do you know anything about the issue at all?

Its not really about what's fair, its about what's best for F4J in the long run.

F4J used to have wide ranging support, even from a few women. Then with the whole Tower Bridge saga and a few other things (apparently a 'significant' (don't know how much that is, not my words) amount of people in F4J have long histories of violence and abuse), people started withdrawing support. By closing F4J they have martyred themselves and trying to appear to act responsibly. Bit of PR and damage limitation all in one. F4J could never carry on, they would always be linked to this extremist group by women, even if what they said is true and they are just sympathisers, with no control over it. F4J's histories of violence and abuse don't help them here.

They'll disband and probably reform another group and try get rid of the rest of the stigma that lingers with them.