Victory for Common Sense

At last:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4361770.stm

How about passing this particular right back to parents as well??????????????

ER, I can restrain and punish my children I can't - and don't want - to beat them mind.

[Edit] (Neil)-No need to quote the post when you are the 1st person to reply.

Who said anything about beating them - I certainly didn't. I happy to hear that you don't want to beat them.

The term I have heard is reasonable force to restrain pupils. This is a great step forward as simply laying your hands on a pupil, or indeed on your child, can be deemed as assault.

[Ramrod]

Looks like the pendulum is starting to swing back.......

[BBKing]

ER, I can restrain and punish my children

As can I. In fact, it's the only way I got him out of the house this morning, as there was a bar of Dairy Milk he'd nicked from the fridge that was occupying his attention. Removing Dairy Milk from child and child from house required a certain amount of restraint.

Actually, I see it like this - teachers are (legally) in loco parentis, so pretty much anything a parent can do a teacher should be able to do. There is a definite problem here, although knowing the Government's record they'll do the wrong thing again. All that's needed is a clear guideline that the teachers can feel safe by, the legal authorities agree is lawful and most importantly the pupils are aware of. That doesn't include flying board rubbers*, taping kids' mouths shut or other excesses of the past.

* Occasionally known at my alma mater. As were dropping of heavy weights on desks in metalwork and the chemistry teacher headbutting the wall to get our attention.

[me283]

Originally Posted by Pierre

At last:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4361770.stm

How about passing this particular right back to parents as well??????????????

I fully agree Pierre. It all seems such common sense, but then a lot of common sense has been thrown out of the window. Maybe a little more discipline in schools will serve children well in later life?

A headteacher made the point this morning that the Govt may be trying to deflect the issue. He says the issue of class discipline is to a large degree one of strained resources.

Incidentally, my lads' schools seem very disciplined to me. BTW Pierre, do you have kids?

Originally Posted by andyl

BTW Pierre, do you have kids?

Not yet, but what difference does that make. I have very many nephews and nieces.

I was once a child myself also.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not yet, but what difference does that make. I have very many nephews and nieces.

I was once a child myself also.

I was just wondering about your experience of school discipline today, that was all.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Pierre

At last: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4361770.stm

How about passing this particular right back to parents as well??????????????[/quote]

How about them stopping re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic and put more money into getting more teachers into schools which would reduce class sizes and *really* help children learn better?!

And I wasn't aware that parent's *weren't* allowed to restrain their children...!

[BBKing]

Apparently, not only do parents have the right to restrain their children, teachers do as well, when acting in loco parentis. Hence my suggestion to define teacher's *current* legal rights properly and not rely on rumours about 'teachers can't touch pupils' which aren't strictly true. Perhaps a lawyer in each school might be an idea, before heaping another load of duplicate legislation on everyone?

Actually, some of the 'treating kids with kid gloves' cases come from instructions and advice post-Soham, that children should always be believed in case you miss another Huntley, which means that teachers are extremely frightened of going to court if a child takes a dislike to them and makes something up.

Given the likelihood of children not actually telling the truth against the likelihood of another child murderer appearing this sounds logically dubious. Tabloid-driven, of course.

And I wasn't aware that parent's *weren't* allowed to restrain their children...!

Define restrain.

If you "restrained" your 12yr old and for arguments sake left a bruise on their arm or leg. Then said 12 yr old went to the police and made a complaint that their father had assaulted them and they bruises to prove it.

You'd be straight down the nick.

In reality you are not allowed to lay your hands them.

[basa]

How about re-introducing 'chalk and talk' ?

Now that would be revolutionary.

[lippy]

Originally Posted by basa

How about re-introducing 'chalk and talk' ?

Is that an 80'S mobile tariff?

[BBKing]

You'd be straight down the nick.

Has this happened? Where?