Palestinian terrorists muder 86 Palestinians.

Just recently we were given a thread that was heavily anti-Israeli.

In order for some balance have a look at the antics of Palestinian terrorist groups who intimidate Palestinians at will and persecute those who they deem to have committed crimes. Remember these executions of innocent Palestinians were decided not by fair or judicial procedures but by mob rule and terror tacitics.

You will find the article below enlightening and ultimatly must put into question Arafat's own role. It is time for Arafat, the Palestinian dictator to step down and allow the peace process to be re-engaged.


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=456618

It is important that if the road map to peace in the Middle East is to progress, that Arafat step aside and a new Palestinian leadership take powe: deal with Palestinian terrorist leaders and stop Palestinian terrorists committing terrorist outrages against Isaraelies.

[Xaccers]

I think you'll find that most people on here are anti-terrorism (not anti-israeli), whether it be from palestinian suicide bombers, or Israeli military.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

I think you'll find that most people on here are anti-terrorism (not anti-israeli), whether it be from palestinian suicide bombers, or Israeli military.

I think you'll find that if the suicide bombings stopped then the Israeli’s would have nothing to retaliate too

[Xaccers]

And if the israelis pulled back into their own land, didn't treat palestinians like second class citizens, stopped killing children to get to political targets etc then palestinians wouldn't have anything to retaliate to with suicide bombers.
It's that vicious circle.

Course, the palestinians have stopped the attacks several times, pitty the Isreali's didn't.

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Besides, Israel is a country not a bloody school kid!
When the IRA bomb went off in Brighton, or Canary Warf did we send our attack helicopters into Eire?!?!
Did we bomb a row of houses just to take out one terrorist?
Did we target children who were "in the way, and besides they were catholics"?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

And if the israelis pulled back into their own land, didn't treat palestinians like second class citizens, stopped killing children to get to political targets etc then palestinians wouldn't have anything to retaliate to with suicide bombers.
It's that vicious circle.

Course, the palestinians have stopped the attacks several times, pitty the Isreali's didn't.

Like the last ceasefire I suppose were they kept on sending suicide bombers over. I think it was the forth one when the Israeli’s had enough and since when has the suicide bombers targets been political targets. You call pubs,bars, buse's etc political targets. yea right

[Xaccers]

Nothing justifies acts of terrorism.
The suicide bombers are wrong, the acts of terrorism by Israel's forces are also wrong.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Nothing justifies acts of terrorism.
The suicide bombers are wrong, the acts of terrorism by Israel's forces are also wrong.

So you think Isreal should do nothing and just watch their people murdered by Muslim fanatic's

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Defiant

So you think Isreal should do nothing and just watch their people murdered by Muslim fanatic's

Do you think the palestinians should do nothing and watch their people (non-terrorists) murdered by israeli forces?

What the Israeli's should do is get out of the land that isn't theirs, and work with the palestinian authorities against the terrorists rather than destroying palestine's ablility to fight the terrorists.
The palestinians must of course work with the Israeli forces against terrorists.

They could also let the UN forces in to help maintain peace.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Do you think the palestinians should do nothing and watch their people (non-terrorists) murdered by israeli forces?

What the Israeli's should do is get out of the land that isn't theirs, and work with the palestinian authorities against the terrorists rather than destroying palestine's ablility to fight the terrorists.
The palestinians must of course work with the Israeli forces against terrorists.

They could also let the UN forces in to help maintain peace.

Yes I think they should stop the bombings and then the Isreali's would not have an escuse to do anything with the world watching. They should give peace a chance but they wont because their fanatics

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Defiant

Yes I think they should stop the bombings and then the Isreali's would not have an escuse to do anything with the world watching. They should give peace a chance but they wont because their fanatics

Yes, but as with the "real" pIRA, with pressure from Yassir Arafat and actual productive movement by Israel, Hamas will stop (they've already stopped several times).
Then the Palestinians and Israeli's can start to work together (even with Hamas' help) against the fanatics who do not want peace at all.

Here we go again, myths that must be challenged:

xaccers, commented that the anti-Israeli thread was anti-terrorism, no,no,no. Israel has the right to defend its own security. The Israeli military has the prime responsibilty to defend the nation. Sometimes it is necessary to take action to deal with Palestinian terrorist leaders and sometimes the wrong people get hurt. Palestinian terrorist leaders enjoy western lifestyles, they sit in comfort and use misguided youths by encouraging them to become murderous bombers, whilst the leaders themselves are so brave they avoid getting themselves killed, and sqeal when they become targets. It is a myth and offensive to accuse Israel of terrorism, there is no substance to these bizarre allegations.

Interesting how you fail to distance yourself from Palestinian terrorists killing Palestinians.

Once again apologists for the Palestinian extrememists fail to pick up the need to ensure the success of the road map to peace. I always find it fascinating and significant that those who take this course of argument always, always leave out the need for peace in the region and fail to support the road map to peace.

Prime Minister, Tony Blair, (23/10): “But I do say that the wretched business of terrorism, every single place you look in the world where there's the possibility of progress, terrorism is holding it back. And there can't be any compromise with it in my view if you want to make progress.�

Palestinian terrorists are not at all interested in peace, they are engaged in terror to destroy Israel that's plain and simple. Arafat, as long as he contiues to be the dictator of the Palestinian Authority will not deal with the terrorist threat. There are many Palestinians tired of constant war and desire to live in peace with their Israeli neighbours.


http://www.israelsolidarity.org.uk/

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Nothing justifies acts of terrorism.
The suicide bombers are wrong, the acts of terrorism by Israel's forces are also wrong.

Gogogo, what part of the above isn't clear to you that terrorism is wrong?

Who the hell is appologising for palestinian terrorists?

It is one thing to raid a terrorist gatherering with a surgical force like the SAS, but you appear to be trying to justify buldosing palestinian homes, with occupants still inside simply because they are related to terrorists, or shooting/killing palestinian children to get to terrorist leaders, and I note not feeling the need to appologise for this when interviewed on the subject.

Perhaps Israel's actioned shouldn't be called terrorism, but crimes against humanity, would that describe it better?

Arafat was elected by the palestinians, he has sway with Hamas and other terrorist groups. Without him there would be no control at all (there is already very little control but it's better than none).

For the benefit of Xaccers.

There is an anti-Israeli tone in your posts.

1. Still no condemnation of Palestinian terrorists murdering 86 Palestinians, what's the matter is it embarrassing for you.

2. Well, Arafat, was elected by 83% of the vote, but an election where the media did not entertain views of other candidates and how far were opposition candidates allowed to campaign. He doesn't tolerate opposition, he encourages terrorism, Al Fatah, Al Aqsa Brigades are under his authority. He uses EU funds to finace terror and his own pockets.

3. IDF actions: I repeat, one must regret that sometimes the innocent get hurt, no one wants to bulldoze homes, but let's remember the homes bulldozed are linked to Palestinian murderers, those involved in homicidal actions against Israeli civilians. Often these people shelter and encourage terrorism. Let's recall that Saddam Hussein often rewarded the families of Palestinian terrorists with hugh piles of cash, one didn't notice such families refusing Iraqi money.

4. Palestinian terrorists often use children to provoke and fight the IDF this disgusting practice has been condemned by the UNO.

5. Arafat must go. He cannot even form a legitimate government now, as he cannot tolerate anyone who doesn't do as Arafat tells.

6. There is a nasty little war going on, rather unpleasant events happen, the IDF does not commit terrorist acts, its actions are to defend the security of Israel.

7. Again I find it interesting no comment on the road map to peace. Are you in favour of the road map to peace?


http://www.israelsolidarity.org.uk/

[Bifta]

When the IRA bomb went off in Brighton, or Canary Warf did we send our attack helicopters into Eire?!?!

No, they were already here, and besides, what has Eire got to do with the Provisional IRA's mainland bombing campaign?

Did we bomb a row of houses just to take out one terrorist?

No, instead you chose to intern 100's if not 1000's of Northern Irish citizens in what amounted to a prison camp under inhumane conditions, you let representatives of the state burn out entire catholic street's, you completely ignored all Loyalist violence while condeming any suspect act from a Nationalist, you shot dead 14 innocent people in Derry, you were fond of gerrymandering, you bought the SAS in using a shoot to kill policy, who normally ended up putting a bullet in unarmed people from very close range, you sat by while catholics were beaten to within an inch of their life in RUC stations and in the back of British Army landrovers, you dealt out a severe beating to civil rights activists at Magilligan, your conservative government allowed my home town to fall into almost complete ruin by adopting a "Let Derry burn" policy while concentrating any aid on Belfast ... the list is kinda endless .... and some might say the IRA planned to bomb the conservative party in Brighton BECAUSE of some of these acts ... maybe.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Gogogo

For the benefit of Xaccers.

There is an anti-Israeli tone in your posts.

1. Still no condemnation of Palestinian terrorists murdering 86 Palestinians, what's the matter is it embarrassing for you.

I totally condemned all acts of terrorism, which includes the killing of the 86 palestinians, sorry if you didn't understand that.

3. IDF actions: I repeat, one must regret that sometimes the innocent get hurt, no one wants to bulldoze homes, but let's remember the homes bulldozed are linked to Palestinian murderers, those involved in homicidal actions against Israeli civilians. Often these people shelter and encourage terrorism. Let's recall that Saddam Hussein often rewarded the families of Palestinian terrorists with hugh piles of cash, one didn't notice such families refusing Iraqi money.

If its something that is regretable then don't bloody do it!
Don't lower yourself to the level or terrorists.
Britain managed to do it, so why can't Israel?
Thankfully Saddam has been removed from power, his sturring up trouble in the area was always to his benifit. Saddam is not a muslim, he only claims to be one in an attempt to get muslim support against the west.

4. Palestinian terrorists often use children to provoke and fight the IDF this disgusting practice has been condemned by the UNO.

Yes it is discusting to use children in this way, however you have to admit that killing these children is more discusting and can not be justified.

5. Arafat must go. He cannot even form a legitimate government now

Yes it is hard to form a legitimate government when Israel underminds any helpful moves he makes.

6. There is a nasty little war going on, rather unpleasant events happen, the IDF does not commit terrorist acts, its actions are to defend the security of Israel.

So you do believe that killing children and buldosing occupied homes is justified, so long as it's palestinian children and palestinian homes?

7. Again I find it interesting no comment on the road map to peace. Are you in favour of the road map to peace?

Sorry, did you completely miss the posts from Defiant and myself discussing what we believe what needs to be done to acheive peace in the area?