young tory mp calls british workers lazy urges PM to follow asia model

[mertle]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...elfare-reforms

just words fail me. Infact its ill conceived comments we have longests hours in europe. Less holidays than many on the continent. Simple solution dont like it find another country.

The book contains a blueprint of radical reforms. The MPs – Kwasi Kwarteng, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Chris Skidmore and Elizabeth Truss – say: "Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor."
The MPs claim the UK workforce should model itself on the workers of South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong, rather those in European nations – or watch living standards fall away.

Is this now the nap hand of critism for the country apart from coalition.


Infact think they wrong we need go oporsite less hours to jobshare strategies but keep wages high it will create wealth in people who spend and have the free time to spend it. Productivity would increase disposable incomes as more in work. More spending would ofset the costs of jobshare at same wages.

Its only way to get near full employment but dont think they would go for it.

Compelling arguments for the shift to world who creates jobs for workers than for get rich fast. Instead flogging workers for pittance creating mass unemployment to frighten workers.

We bring environment where workers get paid by its value to its company. It makes them proud and they rewarded for there productivity to that company.

Do we really need to go down slave labour system of working practises where the bosses flog them become silly rich.

anyway this bloke comes with some serious valid arguments to change way we look at job markets.

http://www.redpepper.org.uk/richard-...hree-years-on/

[MarkC1984]

Maybe if the Governemnt stopped companies in Britain giving all the jobs to immigrants who will work for minimmum wage and not give them to Brits who want slightly more than minimum wage.

I'd love to have a job, but out of the last 100 jobs I've applied for I've heard back from just 5. So how does that make me lazy?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

Maybe if the Governemnt stopped companies in Britain giving all the jobs to immigrants who will work for minimmum wage and not give them to Brits who want slightly more than minimum wage.

Perhaps if those Brits lowered their standards slightly then these companies will take them on? You can't blame bosses for employing people who will save them money and will usually work harder at the same time.

The problem is with the Jeremy Kyle generation who think the minimum wage is below them because they won't be able to afford a PS3 and plasma screen tv with it.

Those MPs are right however it's hard to sound righteous on their wage whilst enjoying a nice long summer holiday.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by mertle

Infact think they wrong we need go oporsite less hours to jobshare strategies but keep wages high it will create wealth in people who spend and have the free time to spend it. Productivity would increase disposable incomes as more in work. More spending would ofset the costs of jobshare at same wages.

This is the surest way to destroy what's left of our economy. Its regulations like these that are hampering recovery. Employers are reluctant to take on new staff when there are so many rules governing how much they must be paid and how many hoops must be jumped through before they can be sacked, regardless of how productive they are.

These MPs are quite right. Even in comparison to Europe, we are markedly less productive per hour worked than the best-in-class. Getting more economic output per hour requires a cultural shift, not loony leftie regulations that destroy productivity by entrenching the idea that it's OK to do less and expect to be better paid for it.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

Perhaps if those Brits lowered their standards slightly then these companies will take them on? You can't blame bosses for employing people who will save them money and will usually work harder at the same time.

The problem is with the Jeremy Kyle generation who think the minimum wage is below them because they won't be able to afford a PS3 and plasma screen tv with it.

Those MPs are right however it's hard to sound righteous on their wage whilst enjoying a nice long summer holiday.

Do you dislike all out of work people. or just a particular type?

if it's just a particular type, then how does your mind work when you differentiate between one type and the other?

if there were a line of 100 people and you had to answer each one with whether they were that particular type you keep banging on about. how would you work out the answer, or would you just say no to all 100?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Do you dislike all out of work people. or just a partricular type?

if it's just a particular type, then how does your mind work when you differentiate between one type and the other?

if there were a line of 100 people and you had to answer each one with whether they were that particular type you keep banging on about. how would you work out the answer, or would you just say no to all 100?

I don't think any of us have any idea what you're talking about.

There are people out there who refuse to take NMW jobs as it would lead to a lower standard of living for them yet happily complain about "people coming over here, taking our jobs" whilst blaming the government, employers and these 'foreigners' and completely failing to see the irony.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

I don't think any of us have any idea what you're talking about.

That's ok, I wasn't asking them. just you.

There are people out there who refuse to take NMW jobs as it would lead to a lower standard of living for them yet happily complain about "people coming over here, taking our jobs" whilst blaming the government, employers and these 'foreigners' and completely failing to see the irony.

But are all those people Jeremy Kyle fans?
and is a plasma an option or a mandatory item to qualify?

[Hugh]

The OP states we have the longest working hours in Europe - this is factually incorrect.

BBC

The average annual working hours in the UK is 1647, which is less than Greece, Hungary,Poland, Estonia, Czech Republic, Italy, Slovak Republic, Portugal, Iceland, Finland, Slovenia, and Spain.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Chris

This is the surest way to destroy what's left of our economy. Its regulations like these that are hampering recovery. Employers are reluctant to take on new staff when there are so many rules governing how much they must be paid and how many hoops must be jumped through before they can be sacked, regardless of how productive they are.

These MPs are quite right. Even in comparison to Europe, we are markedly less productive per hour worked than the best-in-class. Getting more economic output per hour requires a cultural shift, not loony leftie regulations that destroy productivity by entrenching the idea that it's OK to do less and expect to be better paid for it.

depends though chris if productivity harmed by amount hours worker works. Take for instance it known that on 12 hour shifts that at least 4 hours is less productive if there not enough rest periods.

When person has not enough days relief to change shift from days and nights productivity can also be harmed. Therefore it maybe simpe legislation could increase rather harm.

Incidently why did they say asian way why not usa it has double productivity than asian in 2006.

This good guide before credit crunch and all that. they have strict 40 hour rule and immunation holidays. Would love latest figures to see what changed since the recession.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6976084.stm

Infact going by 2007 should we not follow model of some those above. Incidently was was not deemed poor by OECD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Productivity

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...evels_2007.svg

kicker that many these countries work around 25 to 30 hours a week. Result is less tiredness more refreshed labour. They seeing it one dementional way that workers lazy.

http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/...ork-least?lite

I certainly dont think they are it is demoralising and demotivating atitude to take.

1) Germany

• Average annual hours per person:1,330
• Average working hours per week:25.6
• Average wage per hour:$35.33 (7th highest)
• 2011 unemployment rate:6 percent

Every year since 2007, Germans had the fewest hours worked on average, with a low of 1,296 in 2009. One reason this number was so low is that in 2011 14.7 percent of all employees were temporary workers, while 22.1 percent only worked part-time, both above OECD averages. Those in permanent, full-time positions also had significant time for themselves, as only 5.14 percent of Germans work more than 50 hours a week, less than half the 10.86 percent of Americans who worked that much in 2011. The average German had 15.31 hours a day to devote to leisure, one of the highest figures among OECD countries. In 2009, the German government introduced a program that allowed companies to cut work weeks for employees, as opposed to firing them, in exchange for the government’s pledge to cover remaining wages.

Surely Germany model shown it has the strength.

Flogging people is not the way to go.

You end up high unemployment as there less jobs to go around due to longer hours, lower labour productivty due to tiredness, workforce in high stress zone due to unrealistic targets, low demoralised workforce feel undervalued, pay another issue. Workforce which ends up having high sick leave.

Its like whole argument of quantity over quality.

[Hugh]

Erm, you state that many of these countries work 25 - 30 hours per week - you are misreading the chart, which shows GDP per hour worked in dollars, not amount of hours worked.

[Osem]

It's beginning to sound like another epic fail then...

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

It's beginning to sound like another epic fail then...

Like most ramblings from the left, floundering on the reef of reality.

If we trade internationally, you do want those Chinese electrical goods don't you?, we must be competetive. If that means a large number of jobs are at the NMW then that is the reality of the situation. If Brits don't take those jobs then employers will have to look to immigrants who are willing to work.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

If Brits don't take those jobs then employers will have to look to immigrants who are willing to work.

That IMO is the biggest issue of all. The Labour government created a 'something for nothing' society that now leads these people to feel that they are owed a better standard of living for doing the very least.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Russ

That IMO is the biggest issue of all. The Labour government created a 'something for nothing' society that now leads these people to feel that they are owed a better standard of living for doing the very least.

"Everyone wins prizes" and "You can be anything you want to be" plus 'A' levels that you cannot fail.

It'll all need sweeping away to be replaced by the reality that most people will fail at some point and won't be good enough. It's character building.

You may have an ambition the be a brain surgeon but if you can't pass the exams you could be picking cabbages rather than treating them.

[martyh]

I went to work this morning at 4am to pick up a load going to Skelmersdale, the fork truck driver informed me that i would have to wait untill 7am because the supervisor had gone home with a bit of a sniffle and he couldn't print the delivery documents because it wasn't his job and he didn't get paid for it .

Got to Skelmersdale about 3 hrs late with 152,000 deep salad pots for a food packing company and i had 2 forklifts unload me immediately and then they even started doing the lorries curtain up ,no fuss ,no hassle just did the job .......and yes they where foriegn workers

Went to a joiners factory last week to pick up 3 bits of wood to go to leeds "sorry mate you'll have to wait 'till the breaks over" ......it took 30 secs to put them in the van 1 hour later .

I have numerous examples like these if any one wants some more.

Personally, if the government made everyone self employed then the work ethic and productivity would go through the roof