My Gripe - to get something off my chest

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I thought long and hard before l decided to start this thread.

In the present economic problems, l thought we can survive.

I have a good job with good money, BUT, everything goes up with bills etc, but l find myself today filled with anger at the fact there l am with a job able to pay bills at the end of the month, and being a decent citizen.

And then the wife tells me that we might not be able to reach the end of the month without a struggle.

And yet we have thousand of people on the unemployment register cheating the system and getting hundreds of pounds of my tax money and laughing at us, having there rent paid etc, an yet myself work hard for what. Its makes me so angry. Its makes me wonder shall l jack in the job and live off the system, or carry on with all the stress of having a debt collector at the door or becoming homeless for refusing to pay the rent and let society pay for it.

Is it worth it

[Russ]

How do you know thousands of unemployed people are cheating the system?

And what about all the people who have jobs but keep on claiming benefits? Do they anger you too?

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I thought long and hard before l decided to start this thread.

In the present economic problems, l thought we can survive.

I have a good job with good money, BUT, everything goes up with bills etc, but l find myself today filled with anger at the fact there l am with a job able to pay bills at the end of the month, and being a decent citizen.

And then the wife tells me that we might not be able to reach the end of the month without a struggle.

And yet we have thousand of people on the unemployment register cheating the system and getting hundreds of pounds of my tax money and laughing at us, having there rent paid etc, an yet myself work hard for what. Its makes me so angry. Its makes me wonder shall l jack in the job and live off the system, or carry on with all the stress of having a debt collector at the door or becoming homeless for refusing to pay the rent and let society pay for it.

Is it worth it

welcome to 21st century Britain Arthur .

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Originally Posted by Russ

How do you know thousands of unemployed people are cheating the system?

And what about all the people who have jobs but keep on claiming benefits? Do they anger you too?

Of course they are ,where have you been living ,in a box ?

[Lew]

Originally Posted by Russ

How do you know thousands of unemployed people are cheating the system?

It must be true, I read it in the Daily Mail.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Russ

How do you know thousands of unemployed people are cheating the system?

And what about all the people who have jobs but keep on claiming benefits? Do they anger you too?

not like you to jump on someone's back.

all the same, see the supplied link. it states "Benefit fraud cost the country around £1.2 billion in 2010-11." That's not the total of one or two people commiting benefit fraud.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/moneytax...ud/dg_10014876

the very fact the government has a website area dedicated to benefit fraud and how to report it implies in itself that this is a problem big enough to warrant some attention.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by idi banashapan

all the same, see the supplied link. it states "Benefit fraud cost the country around £1.2 billion in 2010-11." That's not the total of one or two people commiting benefit fraud.

So I ask the same question again. How do you know thousands of unemployed people are cheating the system?

The cases we hear of getting to court always seem to be employed people continuing to claim benefits after they find work.

[alferret]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I thought long and hard before l decided to start this thread.

In the present economic problems, l thought we can survive.

I have a good job with good money, BUT, everything goes up with bills etc, but l find myself today filled with anger at the fact there l am with a job able to pay bills at the end of the month, and being a decent citizen.

And then the wife tells me that we might not be able to reach the end of the month without a struggle.

And yet we have thousand of people on the unemployment register cheating the system and getting hundreds of pounds of my tax money and laughing at us, having there rent paid etc, an yet myself work hard for what. Its makes me so angry. Its makes me wonder shall l jack in the job and live off the system, or carry on with all the stress of having a debt collector at the door or becoming homeless for refusing to pay the rent and let society pay for it.

Is it worth it

Welcome to OUR world Arfur!

[tizmeinnit]

Originally Posted by idi banashapan

not like you to jump on someone's back.

all the same, see the supplied link. it states "Benefit fraud cost the country around £1.2 billion in 2010-11." That's not the total of one or two people commiting benefit fraud.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/moneytax...ud/dg_10014876

the very fact the government has a website area dedicated to benefit fraud and how to report it implies in itself that this is a problem big enough to warrant some attention.

That figure actually appears low. Good surprised

No consider this . The net cost of membership of the EU is 28 billion but the gross PA figure could be as high as 65 Billion. so even if the figure today is 5 times higher making it 6 billion the EU costs 10 times more

Considering those on INCAP and JSA are considered as being to blame for the state of the economy i am even more convinced the UK needs to get out of the EU sharpish

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The costs of war far and away exceeds the cost of the fiddlers also. Maybe Tax payers should be angry about the amount of their tax goes to on the EU and War as well

[alferret]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Considering those on INCAP and JSA are considered as being to blame for the state of the economy i am even more convinced the UK needs to get out of the EU sharpish

Cant happen quick enough if you ask me!

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

The costs of war far and away exceeds the cost of the fiddlers also. Maybe Tax payers should be angry about the amount of their tax goes to on the EU and War as well

agreed, but if America don't go to war to protect the trade of oil in petro-dollars with the UK sitting on it's lap like a good doggy, we may find ourselves even worse off. alternatively, if oil was traded in Euro's, we would be far bet... oh no, we're not in the Euro. scrub that - we may be far worse off still.

to be honest, I do not profess to be an authority in politics, economics, trade or war - i know full well I am not versed in any of these areas. I'm just here for the banter and hopefully to learn a few things, provided I can find evidence to support what people pass as fact.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Russ

So I ask the same question again. How do you know thousands of unemployed people are cheating the system?

The cases we hear of getting to court always seem to be employed people continuing to claim benefits after they find work.

because most benefit fraud can only be committed by unemployed people,for example claiming JSA whilst working

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I thought long and hard before l decided to start this thread.

In the present economic problems, l thought we can survive.

I have a good job with good money, BUT, everything goes up with bills etc, but l find myself today filled with anger at the fact there l am with a job able to pay bills at the end of the month, and being a decent citizen.

And then the wife tells me that we might not be able to reach the end of the month without a struggle.

And yet we have thousand of people on the unemployment register cheating the system and getting hundreds of pounds of my tax money and laughing at us, having there rent paid etc, an yet myself work hard for what. Its makes me so angry. Its makes me wonder shall l jack in the job and live off the system, or carry on with all the stress of having a debt collector at the door or becoming homeless for refusing to pay the rent and let society pay for it.

Is it worth it

I feel your pain Arthur, yet I am bound to point out that the Tory-led Coalition you despise so much is tackling the issue by pursuing fraudulent or overblown claims of all kinds of benefits, and setting an upper limit on how much any family can milk the system for. I assume from the post above that you approve of these measures?

Regarding your difficulty making ends meet, well the whole nation is currently learning some painful lessons about living within our means. If it's a struggle, you need to take a long hard look at your outgoings and consider where you can trim them back. How about dropping your TV and Internet down a tier or two?

We cancelled Sky altogether when I had a spell of unemployment a few years ago and have never looked back. The box operates in Freesat mode to this very day.

[thenry]

im unemployed and dont claim. not everyones benefit cheats even if their unemployed.

[Maggy J]

Originally Posted by martyh

because most benefit fraud can only be committed by unemployed people,for example claiming JSA whilst working

IF they are working then they are not unemployed but they are benefit cheaters.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

IF they are working then they are not unemployed but they are benefit cheaters.

Such pedantry in one so young ...

If someone is claiming JSA then as far as the State is concerned they are unemployed. It just depends on which way you look at it.