Bank Holidays - what's the point?

[martyh]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Europes fault, they seem to think if you work a bank holiday you should get a day of later in the year,at the managers discretion, fine until its Christmas you work, having the 22nd Feb of in return doesn't really compensate

fixed that for ya

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by SnoopZ

Arthur it is called a Bank Holiday for a reason, banks are closed and not a shop holiday.

Exactly years ago when business shut down do two Weeks in the summer and the like the banks were left out so we came up with the bank holiday concept which in time replaced the other work related holidays as factories and mills shut down. Incidentally we do.very badly out of it, most countries get loads more than us.

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Originally Posted by martyh

fixed that for ya

I have never heard this abused, pretty sad if it is being flouted

[martyh]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I have never heard this abused, pretty sad if it is being flouted

Not really abuse because there is no obligation to pay extra or give days off .Example is my wifes place of work(a large freezer shop chain) who do not pay extra for working bank holidays or give days off in lue .Recently they have started opening untill 10pm this included yesterday and today,no overtime rates ,sunday rates or anything just basic minimum wage +10p all round.Various companies i have worked for had no special rates either for their PAYE staff

[Hugh]

We give double time pay for bank holiday working (if required, which it rarely is), or equivalent time off in lieu.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Hugh

We give double time pay for bank holiday working (if required, which it rarely is), or equivalent time off in lieu.

are they counted in with the annual leave ?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

Not really abuse because there is no obligation to pay extra or give days off .Example is my wifes place of work(a large freezer shop chain) who do not pay extra for working bank holidays or give days off in lue .Recently they have started opening untill 10pm this included yesterday and today,no overtime rates ,sunday rates or anything just basic minimum wage +10p all round.Various companies i have worked for had no special rates either for their PAYE staff

I think/know if you work the bank holiday you have to have a day of in lieu, you will hopefully find she has 28 days a year holiday entitlement which accounts for them rather than most peoples twenty days

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by martyh

are they counted in with the annual leave ?

No - our colleagues get between 25-38 days annual leave (plus 3 at Christmas) and 8 days Public Holiday (9 last and this year).

[martyh]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I think/know if you work the bank holiday you have to have a day of in lieu, you will hopefully find she has 28 days a year holiday entitlement which accounts for them rather than most peoples twenty days

I thought that was only if the worker has paid leave

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Matt D

You may find this informative:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/employme...days/dg_073741

And this too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_holiday

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

I thought that was only if the worker has paid leave

Even if your self employed but working long term for the same employer, very part time or agency staff I think it's applicable

[martyh]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Even if your self employed but working long term for the same employer, very part time or agency staff I think it's applicable

you can take it from me that having bank holidays when self employed is just a pain up the arse

[Maggy J]

Question..As the majority of Bank holidays are tucked into school holidays do parents have to take their holidays around Bank holidays?Do they miss out as a result?

[Matt D]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I think/know if you work the bank holiday you have to have a day of in lieu, you will hopefully find she has 28 days a year holiday entitlement which accounts for them rather than most peoples twenty days

From my link:

Originally Posted by Directgov

Time off for employees

You don't have an automatic right to paid leave on bank and public holidays, though many people receive the day off work. Any right to time off or extra pay for working on a bank holiday depends on the terms of your contract of employment.

For more information about your right to paid leave, see 'Holiday entitlements'.

Holiday entitlements (employment section)

And from Holiday entitlements (employment section):

Originally Posted by Directgov

The basics of holiday rights

There is a minimum right to paid holiday, but your employer may offer more than this. The main things you should know about holiday rights are that:

you are entitled to a minimum of 5.6 weeks paid annual leave - 28 days for someone working five days a week (capped at a statutory maximum of 28 days for all working patterns)
part-time workers are entitled to the same level of holiday pro rata (so 5.6 times your usual working week, eg 22.4 days for someone working four days a week)
you start building up holiday as soon as you start work
your employer can control when you take your holiday
you get paid your normal pay for your holiday
when you finish a job, you get paid for any holiday you have not taken
bank and public holidays can be included in your minimum entitlement
you continue to be entitled to your holiday leave throughout your ordinary and additional maternity leave and paternity and adoption leave

(snip)

Public and bank holidays

You do not have a statutory right to paid leave on bank and public holidays. If your employer gives paid leave on a bank or public holiday, this can count towards your minimum holiday entitlement. There are eight permanent bank and public holidays in England and Wales (nine in Scotland and ten in Northern Ireland).

If you work on a bank or public holiday, there is no automatic right to an enhanced pay rate. What you get paid depends on your contract of employment.

If you are part time and your employer gives workers additional time off on bank holidays, this should be given pro rata to you as well, even if the bank holiday does not fall on your usual work day.

I think the change to 28 days from the previous 20 days was because many people had bank/public holidays included in their 20 days, so increasing the statutory minimum to 28 counteracted the problem of your employer counting bank/public holidays as part of your leave, as you'd now still have 20 days after bank/public holidays are removed.

But...You do not have to have a day off in lieu, or receive extra pay, if you work a bank/public holiday.

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What has always annoyed me about bank holidays is this:

There are eight permanent bank and public holidays in England and Wales (nine in Scotland and ten in Northern Ireland).

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

Following Arthur's logic we should do away with weekends too....

Arthur's logic?? Now there's an oxymoron if ever I saw one...

[raging bull]

I work in retail - The large DIY chain.
It is expected for most to work part of the day, minimum 4hrs max 8hrs (plus lunch break).
Silly how all want that urgent item for garden upgrade.