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London Mayor election 2012
View Poll Results: Your choice for London mayor
Ken Livingstone 9 23.08%
Boris Johnson 21 53.85%
That Lib Dem bloke 2 5.13%
Someone else 3 7.69%
None of the above! 4 10.26%
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Old 04-05-2012, 22:20   #61
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What exactly, besides the fact he went to Eton and Oxford, do you have against Boris (and try to state facts, not your usual class warfare polemic, such as 'clown', 'toff', 'idiot', 'forelock tugging', etc)? You seem high on diatribe, low on reasoning.

My godson is at Oxford, but he went to a CofE primary school with my son - is he a 'clown' or a 'toff' just because he attends Oxford and is reading BA Literae Humaniores?

You do realise Boris is not 'old money' or landed gentry, don't you - some of his grandparents were immigrants from Europe and Turkey.

Would you like it if you were disliked/pilloried because of your accent/education/job?
Odd I thought Boris was related to royalty...

In other news Brian paddick has possibly lost his deposit
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Old 04-05-2012, 22:36   #62
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Here's how it is.. Oppinions aside this is practically fact.

Labour gets in, spends tonnes of money the country doesn't have... Increased benefits, higher pay... New stuff here and there.. People think great this government is doing loads of good things.. They get voted in successively.

Money starts to run out, jobs start going, country starts going into recession because it can no longer sustain its spending..

People get fed up and vote conservatives in.. As labour have been unable to fullfill their promises due to over spending, so things start foing back down.

Conservatives come in, make massive job losses, pension cuts, benefit cuts and other spending cuts to save the country and reduce the deficit..in order to stop the country going bankrupt and save the economy.

People loosing out on benefits, and pensions and jobs start protesting and slating conservatives, chatting hate and unpopularity.

Economy recovers..

People because they are annoyed at the conservatives harsh spending cuts vote in labour again.. And the whole process starts again.

This isn't rubbish it's not the first time it's happened and it's happening again

Most people labour or conservative supports think too much about themselves and what they are gaining or loosing than the bigger picture.

And have this idea yeah conservatives are bad, because I've lost my benefits, lost my pension, lost my job.

Ok fine yes most of us need to be thinking of our families and those things make a big difference to life.. But the bigger picture is. What would happen if the country went bankrupt? Just because you wanna keep your benefits, pension and jobs...

All them things would go just the same or he reduced and the likely good is things would be "worse" as the country can no longer borrow money.. And borrowing is how this country survives right now.. Take that away and we would be like most of eastern Europe.. Now ask yourself is it worse to be bankrupt or loose a couple of jobs? Everyone has to make some sacrifices if the country is to survive, some
More than most, government and it's people..and as I'm self employed I know what it's like to struggle to get business and make a living.. I don't have the luxury of a fixed monthly payment.


Regarding driverless trains regardless how old a tunnel is a tunnel is a tunnel... A glorified hole in the ground

It's not the tunnel that dictates if a train can be driverless.. Its just a hole lined with concrete and steel.

What does allow for driverless grains is cables, technology and signally.

All of which is constantly being upgraded..if you get a faulty power cable you aren't gonna replace it with another cable of 100 years old are you! You put brand new cable in that meets current standards.

And whenever they do track replacement there's no reason why they can't stick some new extra cables in place which then allow for upgraded signalling..

Also trains are going to be eventually replaced eventually some already have.

Jubilee extension already has the technology for driverless trains in place.

It will happen! Government will force this through because it costs more in terms of disruption and pay increased to keep paying all these drivers as at the moment drivers have tfl over a barrel. But there's only so much they will put up with when enough becomes enough and they will do all of themselves out of a job.

Same happened with guards.. Kept wanting more pay, striking, in the end they became unrequired as companies rolled out cameras and mirrors.

No sense arguing it will never happen technology is constantly moving forward and the attitude it will never happen is quite antiquated...
They said the same thing about the sound barrier, the moon, and recently James Cameron the director just took a sub to the deepest point on earth, and the other week there was an article about British engineers working on a hybrid rocket engine that features a turbofan jet engine. That would allow travel to anywhere in the world in 4 hours.

Things move forward!
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So you believe that an idiot should be in charge of London, not interested in red ken as he is another clown I put in the boat as galloway as both are just freeloaders, no one has mentioned miliband as he is not in this contest but his name is being used to deflect from the idiot namely Boris.

Even tory voters must be able to see that Boris the clown should not be in charge of anything.
Anyone would be better than Ken simply because he supports the Labour way of doing things and that is Spend Spend Spend and mess the country up.
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Old 04-05-2012, 23:51   #63
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Odd I thought Boris was related to royalty...

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Through some obscure spawned who had a fling with an actress in the 19th Century, generations ago, and through that he is obliquely linked to George II (who died 1760) - very tenuously linked to Royalty.

btw, Boris's grandfather was called Osman Ali Wilfred Kemal before he Anglicised his name to Wilfred Johnson - very posh....
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Through some obscure spawned who had a fling with an actress in the 19th Century, generations ago, and through that he is obliquely linked to George II (who died 1760) - very tenuously linked to Royalty.

btw, Boris's grandfather was called Osman Ali Wilfred Kemal before he Anglicised his name to Wilfred Johnson - very posh....
Wasn't one of his ancestors Charles I and ll's closest advisors to, seems like his family has been at the very top table for centuries to me if so.

Boris has won btw
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Wasn't one of his ancestors Charles I and ll's closest advisors to, seems like his family has been at the very top table for centuries to me if so.

Boris has won btw
No - just repeating it doesn't make it true...

As previously stated, his family has tenuous links (through one of his antecedents being the illegitimate offspring of minor German nobility) to George II.

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No - just repeating it doesn't make it true...

As previously stated, his family has tenuous links (through one of his antecedents being the illegitimate offspring of minor German nobility) to George II.

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I did repeat it, if you notice I said relative in post 1 and an advisor in post 2 which I may have confused with Alexander Armstrong admittedly but seeing his aunt
was described as top euro toff by Boris himself it kind of seals the deal for me
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Good!

His campaign video on Policing was an utter disgrace and showed him up for the slimy, career office dweller he was.

I like Boris. He's obviously extremely intelligent and smearing him because of his education is pretty low IMO.
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What exactly, besides the fact he went to Eton and Oxford, do you have against Boris (and try to state facts, not your usual class warfare polemic, such as 'clown', 'toff', 'idiot', 'forelock tugging', etc)? You seem high on diatribe, low on reasoning.

My godson is at Oxford, but he went to a CofE primary school with my son - is he a 'clown' or a 'toff' just because he attends Oxford and is reading BA Literae Humaniores?

You do realise Boris is not 'old money' or landed gentry, don't you - some of his grandparents were immigrants from Europe and Turkey.

Would you like it if you were disliked/pilloried because of your accent/education/job?
Do you honestly think that the average member of cameron's cabinet like the oiks who vote for them? I think not, they look down on them with disdain and virtually everyone of them still believe that the common man should not be allowed to vote.
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Do you honestly think that the average member of cameron's cabinet like the oiks who vote for them? I think not, they look down on them with disdain and virtually everyone of them still believe that the common man should not be allowed to vote.
Kind of proves Hugh's point, doesn't it. You don't actually have anything to add to the discussion apart from the same old tedious, Tory-hating, self-pitying whingeing that's so typical in Liverpool.

Sometimes, reading your posts reminds me of the Radio Merseyside lunch time phone in. And not in a good way.
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Do you honestly think that the average member of cameron's cabinet like the oiks who vote for them?
What qualifies you for being in a privileged position where you can look down on people?

Being a millionaire who avoided huge tax bills by tax avoidance measures? You know like the current labour leader.
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Do you honestly think that the average member of cameron's cabinet like the oiks who vote for them? I think not, they look down on them with disdain and virtually everyone of them still believe that the common man should not be allowed to vote.
Do you honestly think most politicians could give a damn about the people that vote for them apart from at election time?

If you and the rest of Liverpool hate the government so much please feel free to pay the full amount of council tax required to cover Liverpool's expenditure and demand greater autonomy.

Do be aware though that it'll nearly triple your council tax bill - Liverpool Council spends over £2.90 for every £1.00 raised in council tax.

In other news Ken didn't win - good. However before I'm considered a Tory toff lover Boris didn't get my first preference vote, Siobhan Benita did.

I wonder how different politics would be if people actually looked past the colour on the party logo and voted for the candidates who fit the bill?

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Actually there have been two where trains went smashing out or control causing damage beyond repaid and multiple casualties.....not.

Collision at West India Quay bridge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway

Compared to other forms of transport, I'd say that's a 100% track (no pun intended) record...
Pretty funny that both of them were due to manual, not automatic control. Good advertisement for removing manual control except in emergencies.
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Pretty funny that both of them were due to manual, not automatic control. Good advertisement for removing manual control except in emergencies.
We need driverless trains though - "they are more safe" according to the mad world of Arthur...
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Boris won by a close margin then. Ken Livingstone has said it's his last election, he may change his mind but given that he isn't getting younger and Labour will likely select a different candidate next time around I suspect that is the truth.

He isn't a easy man to like, but he did do a lot for London irrespective of his personality. He also seemed to genuinely care about the City.
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Boris won by a close margin then. Ken Livingstone has said it's his last election, he may change his mind but given that he isn't getting younger and Labour will likely select a different candidate next time around I suspect that is the truth.

He isn't a easy man to like, but he did do a lot for London irrespective of his personality. He also seemed to genuinely care about the City.
Maybe he did. Sadly he also cared rather a lot about Ken and his, frankly, cronies. He was far, far, far too dirty personally and lied far too much for me to even entertain putting an 'X' beside his name.

In other news here's the results from Tower Hamlets:

Boris Johnson: 20%
Brian Paddick: 5%
Jenny Jones: 5%
Siobhan Benita: 5%
Ken Livingstone: 105%

Turn out: 140%.

Electoral commission inform that the vote was conducted fairly and impartially and the officer ended his report asking if he could have his kids back now.
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Do you honestly think that the average member of cameron's cabinet like the oiks who vote for them? I think not, they look down on them with disdain and virtually everyone of them still believe that the common man should not be allowed to vote.
Remember Labour believe we are BIGGOTS and it cannot be denied and must be true as there top man said that to that poor woman live on TV ?
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