London Mayor election 2012

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by Damien

It will depend on the 2nd preference votes

So which are number 2

[martyh]

well Newcastle won't be getting an elected mayor

[Damien]

Looking like Boris is safe unless there is a real shock to come from 2nd preferences.

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Originally Posted by martyh

well Newcastle won't be getting an elected mayor

Surprised so many people have rejected the concept of a Mayor, I think it's been very good for London

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Damien

Surprised so many people have rejected the concept of a Mayor, I think it's been very good for London

If we did vote to have a mayor i was wondering what would happen to the one we have now ,he isn't an elected but has the title ,car ,office and big honking bling around his neck ,wouldn't he be a bit put out at losing all of that

[RB2004]

Here's how it is.. Oppinions aside this is practically fact.

Labour gets in, spends tonnes of money the country doesn't have... Increased benefits, higher pay... New stuff here and there.. People think great this government is doing loads of good things.. They get voted in successively.

Money starts to run out, jobs start going, country starts going into recession because it can no longer sustain its spending..

People get fed up and vote conservatives in.. As labour have been unable to fullfill their promises due to over spending, so things start foing back down.

Conservatives come in, make massive job losses, pension cuts, benefit cuts and other spending cuts to save the country and reduce the deficit..in order to stop the country going bankrupt and save the economy.

People loosing out on benefits, and pensions and jobs start protesting and slating conservatives, chatting hate and unpopularity.

Economy recovers..

People because they are annoyed at the conservatives harsh spending cuts vote in labour again.. And the whole process starts again.

This isn't rubbish it's not the first time it's happened and it's happening again

Most people labour or conservative supports think too much about themselves and what they are gaining or loosing than the bigger picture.

And have this idea yeah conservatives are bad, because I've lost my benefits, lost my pension, lost my job.

Ok fine yes most of us need to be thinking of our families and those things make a big difference to life.. But the bigger picture is. What would happen if the country went bankrupt? Just because you wanna keep your benefits, pension and jobs...

All them things would go just the same or he reduced and the likely good is things would be "worse" as the country can no longer borrow money.. And borrowing is how this country survives right now.. Take that away and we would be like most of eastern Europe.. Now ask yourself is it worse to be bankrupt or loose a couple of jobs? Everyone has to make some sacrifices if the country is to survive, some
More than most, government and it's people..and as I'm self employed I know what it's like to struggle to get business and make a living.. I don't have the luxury of a fixed monthly payment.


Regarding driverless trains regardless how old a tunnel is a tunnel is a tunnel... A glorified hole in the ground

It's not the tunnel that dictates if a train can be driverless.. Its just a hole lined with concrete and steel.

What does allow for driverless grains is cables, technology and signally.

All of which is constantly being upgraded..if you get a faulty power cable you aren't gonna replace it with another cable of 100 years old are you! You put brand new cable in that meets current standards.

And whenever they do track replacement there's no reason why they can't stick some new extra cables in place which then allow for upgraded signalling..

Also trains are going to be eventually replaced eventually some already have.

Jubilee extension already has the technology for driverless trains in place.

It will happen! Government will force this through because it costs more in terms of disruption and pay increased to keep paying all these drivers as at the moment drivers have tfl over a barrel. But there's only so much they will put up with when enough becomes enough and they will do all of themselves out of a job.

Same happened with guards.. Kept wanting more pay, striking, in the end they became unrequired as companies rolled out cameras and mirrors.

No sense arguing it will never happen technology is constantly moving forward and the attitude it will never happen is quite antiquated...
They said the same thing about the sound barrier, the moon, and recently James Cameron the director just took a sub to the deepest point on earth, and the other week there was an article about British engineers working on a hybrid rocket engine that features a turbofan jet engine. That would allow travel to anywhere in the world in 4 hours.

Things move forward!

[LSainsbury]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Two points to clear up, to have driver-less trains on the underground is very dangerous, what happens if there is a trains crash, or trains breaks down and there is a signal fault and a smashes into each other.

Arthur - what planet are you on? And why do you talk like you are the know-all of all subjects?

They are not dangerous at all...if there is a problem they fall back into a fail-safe mode which means the stop immediately or stop at the next station.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The DLR might be an 'underground train' technically, BUT this was brought into service due to Canary Wharf being built, It has only been extended due to it popularity, and there is no underground system near it.

No underground system near it? That's funny...last time I was on it I'm sure it was connected to the Jubilee, Circle, H&C and District lines. The wonders of an integrated transport system eh, Arthur??

[Osem]

Some folks never learn do they...

[Damien]

Sky News now calling for Boris Johnson.

[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by martyh

If we did vote to have a mayor i was wondering what would happen to the one we have now ,he isn't an elected but has the title ,car ,office and big honking bling around his neck ,wouldn't he be a bit put out at losing all of that

Ceremonial Mayors & Elected Mayors are separate beings:

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governme...ment/DG_073313

[Damien]

Yup. Comfortable win for Boris, it seems that he might even have more 2nd preference votes than Ken.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Two points to clear up, to have driver-less trains on the underground is very dangerous, what happens if there is a trains crash, or trains breaks down and there is a signal fault and a smashes into each other.

You need a train personnel on the train for safety reasons.

Which is why Boris wants driverless trains, not unmanned ones. They'll have someone onboard as with the DLR to check tickets, assist customers and handle emergency situations if they arise.

As far as trains smashing into each other goes I'd ask you when you've seen this happen on the DLR?

Exactly. Automated trains are done so with safety in mind, if systems detect faults the trains stop to avoid collision. If in doubt computer says 'no'.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The DLR might be an 'underground train' technically, BUT this was brought into service due to Canary Wharf being built, It has only been extended due to it popularity, and there is no underground system near it.

Err.

Bank?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Gnnnnnnnn
I really, really don't want that lying, sanctimonious, two faced, chancer to get in......

Looks like you're out of luck then Boris won

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I know if millibore gets control of this country we should all expect a return of the spend spend spend regime again. I beleave thats how Ken has been trying to gain votes, I will spend on this and this and this and

We must never ever return to the spend spend spend days of the party that got us in the state we are in now.

So you believe that an idiot should be in charge of London, not interested in red ken as he is another clown I put in the boat as galloway as both are just freeloaders, no one has mentioned miliband as he is not in this contest but his name is being used to deflect from the idiot namely Boris.

Even tory voters must be able to see that Boris the clown should not be in charge of anything.

[LSainsbury]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

As far as trains smashing into each other goes I'd ask you when you've seen this happen on the DLR?

Actually there have been two where trains went smashing out or control causing damage beyond repaid and multiple casualties.....not.

On 10 March 1987, before the railway opened, a test train crashed through station buffer stops at the original high-level terminus Island Gardens station and was left hanging from the end of the elevated track. The accident was caused by unauthorised tests being run before accident-preventing modifications had been installed. The train was being driven manually at the time.

Collision at West India Quay bridge

On 22 April 1991, two trains collided at a junction on the West India Quay bridge during morning rush hour, requiring a shutdown of the entire system and evacuation of the involved passengers by ladder.[98][99] One of the two trains was travelling automatically, operating without a driver, while the other was under manual control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway

Compared to other forms of transport, I'd say that's a 100% track (no pun intended) record...

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Peter_

So you believe that an idiot should be in charge of London, not interested in red ken as he is another clown I put in the boat as galloway as both are just freeloaders, no one has mentioned miliband as he is not in this contest but his name is being used to deflect from the idiot namely Boris.

Even tory voters must be able to see that Boris the clown should not be in charge of anything.

What exactly, besides the fact he went to Eton and Oxford, do you have against Boris (and try to state facts, not your usual class warfare polemic, such as 'clown', 'toff', 'idiot', 'forelock tugging', etc)? You seem high on diatribe, low on reasoning.

My godson is at Oxford, but he went to a CofE primary school with my son - is he a 'clown' or a 'toff' just because he attends Oxford and is reading BA Literae Humaniores?

You do realise Boris is not 'old money' or landed gentry, don't you - some of his grandparents were immigrants from Europe and Turkey.

Would you like it if you were disliked/pilloried because of your accent/education/job?