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Old 13-04-2012, 20:52   #91
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson

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So given that is correct ,which i accept it is ,what should happen with any cure in relation to religions like christianity who have started to accept homosexuality ?
Your question is based on a false premise. Religions like Christianity have not started to accept homosexuality. Certain Christian churches, located almost entirely in post-Christian societies where there is mounting pressure for people to accept a post-Christian, liberal morality, have begun to find ways to re-interpret their beliefs in order to incorporate the views of those outside the religion. This phenomenon, where it, exists, occurs generally within denominations, rather than denominations as a whole setting out to re-write their statements of faith.

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Your question is based on a false premise. Religions like Christianity have not started to accept homosexuality. Certain Christian churches, located almost entirely in post-Christian societies where there is mounting pressure for people to accept a post-Christian, liberal morality, have begun to find ways to re-interpret their beliefs in order to incorporate the views of those outside the religion. This phenomenon, where it, exists, occurs generally within denominations, rather than denominations as a whole setting out to re-write their statements of faith.

From what you are saying Chris each church can make it's own rules, accepting ,or re interpreting to apease local wishes .From an outsiders point of view it appears that Christianity is whatever you want it to be
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Old 13-04-2012, 21:25   #93
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Your question is based on a false premise. Religions like Christianity have not started to accept homosexuality. Certain Christian churches, located almost entirely in post-Christian societies where there is mounting pressure for people to accept a post-Christian, liberal morality, have begun to find ways to re-interpret their beliefs in order to incorporate the views of those outside the religion. This phenomenon, where it, exists, occurs generally within denominations, rather than denominations as a whole setting out to re-write their statements of faith.
I thought Jesus was of a bit of a liberal, myself.
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From what you are saying Chris each church can make it's own rules, accepting ,or re interpreting to apease local wishes .From an outsiders point of view it appears that Christianity is whatever you want it to be
I suppose you're right in a way.
it would be nice to follow the written rules to the letter. but you can't do that when nobody really knows what the exact rules are.

they can only have a guess at most of them, and in some cases skirt around the others.

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Written by Paul, not Jesus...

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I thought Jesus was of a bit of a liberal, myself.
You're just mischief-making now ...

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From what you are saying Chris each church can make it's own rules, accepting ,or re interpreting to apease local wishes .From an outsiders point of view it appears that Christianity is whatever you want it to be
Not really - there is an orthodox set of Christian beliefs that have been widely held for centuries. You're tending to over-state the historical significance of a few modern, liberal, western streams of thought because they happen to be prominent in your particular culture.
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'our particular culture', surely?

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Liberal - a conservative who has just been arrested.....
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I thought Jesus was of a bit of a liberal, myself.
Me too.

Also I think the bible has been written by men who had agendas of their own that may not correspond with those of it's founding father.
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Me too.

Also I think the bible has been written by men who had agendas of their own that may not correspond with those of it's founding father.
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Also I think the bible has been written by men who had agendas of their own
I've been saying that for years.
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I've been saying that for years.
So have lots of people..
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Re: Anti-gay adverts pulled from bus campaign by Boris Johnson

As valid a discussion that may be, it would only descend in to this month's overdue religion-bashing thread.

I don't personally know any Christian that spends time campaigning against gays, gay rights etc. They may disapprove of the lifestyle but that's their right. I've literally trusted my life to gay people in the past and not cared about what they get up to in private just as I wouldn't expect anyone to question me about my own lifestyle.

People will react to stories like in the OP but you ignore the rest of the time when billions of us have a "live and let live" attitude.
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Absolutely......
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I was going try to post something intelligent, relevant and progressive but couldn't be arsed.... Gays .... I love 'em
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It is very sad and very dissapointing that people still think that it is ok to think that Homosexuality is sometihng that is not natural and a "sin" and a "sign from the devil", that can be cured

Those sorts of attitudes have nothing to do with religion and more to do very old fashioned values that should stay in the past

Also, how can they do theses adverts when there is a huge wealth gap and a lot of inequality and injustice in the world, surely Jesus would agree?

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I'm not sure how I'd describe them but they're not homophobic. People are far too quick to play the "ooooh, gayist" card these days especially when it comes to anything connected to religion.

I don't see anything in that 'advert' which suggests homosexuality can be 'cured'. It could just as easily refer to someone straight who 'experimented' during their teens or puberty.

Oh and before presumptions start flying about, I don't think the adverts were a good idea. I just object to the notion that you can only have an opinion as long as it doesn't "offend" someone.
Well it is clear that the people behind this advert cannot accept that you can't exactly change you sexual orientation just like that, you are born to be like that and as your body develops you could become like that

Anyway, there are reasons why we don't say anything we like, "this guy is a ****** or all **** are *****, and it not just racism, it also includes swearing as well

You are not forced to offend someone, so there is no need

(Just becuase I have used *, please can you not mistake it for offencive language, I was just showing am example)
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