Petrol hits whopping 140.20 unleaded before 3p increase in august1st

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by mertle

Until those alternative like the air car hydro gen go mainstream where 70% drivers use them we will stop rely on fossil fuel.

Dont believe electric is viable long term due to its not impulse car got to charge over night. Costs electric to individual and to nation with where is the electric to come from.

Whatever you use to propel a car it comes back to needing an energy source, Hydrogen has to be made and that uses energy, compressing air uses energy, charging electric cars uses energy. Where's it all going to come from? More wind farms?

If there was ever a switch away from petrol and diesel fuels the government could not but tax the alternatives instead to continue to raise the £45billion that road transport fuel taxes raise. There'll be no free lunches.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Some forecourts will put their prices up just because of the fact that we're expecting it.
it's going to be another episode where it will be going up a penny every other day because they know we're expecting it.

then you have the garages that are 5p cheaper than the other one. which just tells you that a lot of them are just putting the prices up because they know we're talking about it, and they know we're expecting it.

I think this happened last time too.

blockades of refineries I bet wont make mistakes next time when the shut them down. They never knew lincolnshire made alot of our petrol.

If they shut hemel hemstead too as its got direct pipe down there remember the fire had to shut the link pipe. Lindsey produces 223,000 barrells per day. Conoco 221,000 barrels per day.

Lindsey third largest refinery and conoco 4th. you can see where maximum damage could be done in blockade.

• Lindsey Oil Refinery, (Total), 223,000 bbl/d (35,500 m3/d)
• Milford Haven Refinery, (Murco), 140,000 bbl/d (22,000 m3/d)
• Pembroke Refinery, (Valero Energy), 220,000 bbl/d (35,000 m3/d)
• Stanlow Refinery, (Essar Energy), 272,000 bbl/d (43,200 m3/d)[8]
• Teesside Refinery, (Petroplus), 117,000 bbl/d (18,600 m3/d)
• Fawley Southampton Refinery, (ExxonMobil), 347,000 bbl/d (55,200 m3/d)
• Humber Refinery, (ConocoPhillips), 221,000 bbl/d (35,100 m3/d)
• Coryton Refinery, (Petroplus), 208,000 bbl/d (33,100 m3/d)
• Grangemouth Refinery, (Ineos), 205,000 bbl/d (32,600 m3/d)

Its was only after shutting the humber was fuel blockade took grip as combined both refineries its the biggest place where oil refined.


For some reason that blockade left the humber refineries alone for days attacked smaller refineries first like grangemouth, milford haven, pembroke, teeside. I dont think they will make that mistake again especially with that fire that there is link to hemel hemstead via big pipe to humber.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Whatever you use to propel a car it comes back to needing an energy source, Hydrogen has to be made and that uses energy, compressing air uses energy, charging electric cars uses energy. Where's it all going to come from? More wind farms?

If there was ever a switch away from petrol and diesel fuels the government could not but tax the alternatives instead to continue to raise the £45billion that road transport fuel taxes raise. There'll be no free lunches.

thats true hydrogen does need to be made not saying it dont. Its at present best alternative to fossil fuels as pointed out electric by far its not possible due to electric issue.

The air car is the most interesting as it potential to be perpetual motion

You did watch the second vid they alread designed a compressed air generator which works on guess what compressed air. It dont need electric it works on AIR. Its compressing the air then running on that compressed air.

If the compressor makes EXCESS compressed air enough to drive the Air Car we then have car which dont need ANY fuel top up anywhere. It litarally go and go No wind to drive it no sun to drive it. You simply literally never need to stop.

Now that would be impressive the other advances would be sure is kinetics energy where simply bumps drive energy would be re-fill as source to be tapped fill batteries. We already seeing devices which you shake to provide energy to run it. Ad the technology to cars it would reduce times for recharging.

I dont think we ever fully rely on black stuff we will break the shackles how many years it will take fully viable alternative which dont rely on masses nuclear plants time will tell.

[alferret]

What I find galling & in some ways profiteering by forecourts & the refiners.
Last May 2011, Brent crude was at about $128pb (per barrel) Today\this week its around $125pb. May last year I was paying 135.9p per litre. Today I am paying 142.9ppl.
So as there have been no increases in VAT or duty on fuel in the last 9 months how can the cost's have increased?
Between May 2011 & Dec 2011 the cost pb dropped to below $105, but the forecourts only dropped the litre price by 1.9p to around 133-4ppl.
So pb was down 17.5% but forecourt price only went down by 1.6%.
Something smells a little bit fishy me thinks & then adding on 3.03ppl + vat is a SMACK in the face for anyone who uses a vehicle be it SDP, commute or for work.

[mertle]

Originally Posted by alferret

What I find galling & in some ways profiteering by forecourts & the refiners.
Last May 2011, Brent crude was at about $128pb (per barrel) Today\this week its around $125pb. May last year I was paying 135.9p per litre. Today I am paying 142.9ppl.
So as there have been no increases in VAT or duty on fuel in the last 9 months how can the cost's have increased?
Between May 2011 & Dec 2011 the cost pb dropped to below $105, but the forecourts only dropped the litre price by 1.9p to around 133-4ppl.
So pb was down 17.5% but forecourt price only went down by 1.6%.
Something smells a little bit fishy me thinks & then adding on 3.03ppl + vat is a SMACK in the face for anyone who uses a vehicle be it SDP, commute or for work.

spot on increases down to crude oil yet decreases never come back to real terms of price of barrel.

Now the excuse is unsettled tensions between iran/isreal.

Middle east have always been in conflicts or tensions why now is used as excuse to justify prices.

Now the one do accept which possible cause is rise of other markets putting pressure on prices but if crude oil prices dropped then parity should been done in forecourt s in uk.

That means the problem elsewhere not middle-east

Finger should be at the refineries making killing in uk. Shell prfits went to 18bn despite missing targets of refining.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/m...18bn-2011.html

Although governments equally to blame for there taxation policies over the years.

I think we could drive the economy forward if we dropped 20p off fuel.

[AdamD]

Originally Posted by mertle

AdamD this all smoke dangers to supposedly save our planet from pollution. Problem alot these taxes have been tax too far crippled economies. Society cant live without the black stuff.

Until those alternative like the air car hydro gen go mainstream where 70% drivers use them we will stop rely on fossil fuel.

Dont believe electric is viable long term due to its not impulse car got to charge over night. Costs electric to individual and to nation with where is the electric to come from.

Hrm, well maybe they should take this duty and heavily subsidise electricity with it.
Which would probably mean taking over an electric company so it's run by the government again.
That way at least, people would be more inclined into purchasing an electric or electric/hybrid car.

[mertle]

Some developments.

Vince Cable wants to use stateheld stockpile oil to reduce prices.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-7583732.html

Dont get me coy but the highest cake is the uk government next to the costs of oil/refineries.

Surely this wont do anything to reduce forecourts prices. Surely wise to leave our stockpiles alone for more serious rainy day. Afterall the middle east aint that stable we could end up in right pickle..

How much stockpiles we got.

[mertle]

Interesting comment during budget scrutiny today from osbourne.

Labour's John Mann says the price of petrol has gone up by £1 a gallon since Osborne since he became chancellor.Q: Is it true you are taking an extra £10m a day in petrol duty?
Osborne says the extra duty he is receiving is offset by the amount he is losing from people buying less petrol.

So the question ask can we assume that it goes up to ofset the loss of motorist driving.

What a strange answer what strange way looking at the problem.

So if more drivers walk away fuel duty will increase rapidly to ofset losses those walked. Which inturn will cause more hardship more prices go up inturn slap us bang into ressesion.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I as a motorist am sick to death of this government increasing fuel prices to fund there own pockets in tax.

Arthur do you not check what your ranting about. I have learnt that its best to put your brain in gear before posting a factless rant on the Internet.

[Hom3r]

Sod Petrol
I paid 148.9p for diesel today, and with the scum tanker drivers going on strike the scum garages will put prices up like they did in 2000.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Sod Petrol
I paid 148.9p for diesel today, and with the scum tanker drivers going on strike the scum garages will put prices up like they did in 2000.

It was obvious with the olympics this year that every loony union boss would try to bring people out on strike at that time. They will try any blackmail they can to raise wages at the expense of others.

[joglynne]

I dread to think of the chaos a drivers strike will cause and it feels like blackmail to me.

Regarding the increases in petrol and diesel we seem to be cushioned at the moment in my area with unleaded being on sale at 135.7 and diesel at 142.9 but I though some members might benefit from looking at the following site which checks out the cheapest prices near any postcode........ http://www.petrolprices.com/

I have used the site for a few years and can vouch for it not leading to spam attacks.

[Hugh]

And drivers in the US are complaining because it is $3.79 a gallon (approx two pounds fifty, or 55p per litre)....

[toonlight]

Originally Posted by mertle

I wondered in past going LPG the cost converting was too expensive. Plus lack LPG points.

Well first think what is LPG? what can you get it? here's the really simple answer......... Lpg bottling plants, some local cities have them, I know my city has some of them too, what do they store + refill the spent 25/47kg (red/orange) bottles with..... LPG the same thing that's used in motor engines. So where do you fill up your LPG tank in your car or HGV......... petrol station or bottling plants. All you have to is pick up the "dog'n bone" + ask have got the equipment to refill a LPG tank..... so there's more places than one thinks.

I know about this as I run my wheels (diesel) on a duel fuel system off Ebay + new LPG tank (long distance) direct through to the engine (fitted by gas safe reg plumber) - easy as that; no pricey conversion here - look on YouTube for yourself folks.

Looking in my local yellow pages even online, I seemed to note company's advertising, for a filling up service yes LPG so there you go folks.... here the very good part you service station users (cover your eyes if you want).......only paying £0.79 pence a litre to fill up not forecourt prices. Not to mention running a blend of thinned down mixed cleaned used oils for my other tank in case I'm not near a LPG station of bottling plant yes my engine is not a modern chipped controlled piece of rubbish just a plain old diesel solid runner; starts on the first turn of the key every day any day even in cold winter months.

Diesel engines like old model VW Jetta, old Landrover series types even the old model range rover V8's are the best as you don't have tons looms of wiring everywhere & different sensors everywhere till you get to your seat covers! To add this fact, if your up against it you can run that old V8 Range rover engine off paraffin to get to the nearest fill point, it's not going to sound smooth, more like rough as dogs dinner but it will get you there just a little slower. Never had to do it myself but have seen it done a few times over the years but don't try it in a modern piece of rubbish diesel as it will write off your engine... you have been warned

I hopes some out, that are wondering on how or where do I get this problem sorted out... now you know, what the tax man doesn't know won't hurt one bit - less in their pocket more in mine

[mertle]

toonlight thanks for this info very useful for others suspect too.

I wish kept my nexia now would looked into this got mate to do it he more mechanical bloke.

Citymatic not got any room to fit conversion sadly which well anoying get 2 bags shopping in its nearly creaking.

Downsized to be more economic fearing the error. Road tax is not changed stupid insurance penalised me for downsizing. 6 months at £56 insurance for citymatic. I had 6 months left on nexia so effectively 2 insurances.

Told them old one went to scrap should told them could not afford there high insurance. Thats Zurich for you its cheapest I have been able to get around last time I renewed maybe should threatend to walk been with them since they bought eagle star.

[toonlight]

Originally Posted by mertle

toonlight thanks for this info very useful for others suspect too.

I wish kept my nexia now would looked into this got mate to do it he more mechanical bloke.

Citymatic not got any room to fit conversion sadly which well anoying get 2 bags shopping in its nearly creaking.

Downsized to be more economic fearing the error. Road tax is not changed stupid insurance penalised me for downsizing. 6 months at £56 insurance for citymatic. I had 6 months left on nexia so effectively 2 insurances.

Told them old one went to scrap should told them could not afford there high insurance. Thats Zurich for you its cheapest I have been able to get around last time I renewed maybe should threatend to walk been with them since they bought eagle star.

Hello mertle, hows it going buddy?.... I hear loud + clear insurance are pain to there own cause, putting up prices -then selling our data to 3rd party wondering if we interested in claiming for that "accident". Late to find they have jacked up the renewal price to cover your claim in the first place

As for fuel wise I've seamed to have cracked, it's easy on my wallet long term & pay for the rest with no more extra expenses on top of my yearly total figure. If your wondering I put a quarter of thinners (1 can of thinners) per tank with the mixed cleaned oils for each tank, that can be used motor oil, cooking oil or even old compressor oil. The thinners is an old trick on how to keep your engine working clean while using spent used oils. I get my sources from in the motor repair industry I take it away it saves them disposal costs so much so, I get a call when theres a 5 gallon drum full normally & collect with placing a empty drum to be refilled later.
LPG wise I got a choice of three sources.. four if you count the petrol station that has put in large LPG tank this week area a square area of 100 miles.

On the future wise, once I get things going with a few solar panels that I've got coming (second hand -off a back of a lorry) with a second hand tank & water supply - I'll have a hydrogen fuel on tap which will be free of charge then using the same set up but with a small nipple nozzle in the injector system.

On another note here, from the paraffin to using fine brandy or single malt or even whisky or vodka can be used but the first four are more pricey than normal petrol so be wise all, it's just a waste of good booze.

Looks for my 15yr single malt in my drinks cabinet...... cheers all!