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Old 19-03-2012, 12:36   #46
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Re: National pay rates may be scrapped for public workers

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Why? They aren't governors or mayors of their constituencies, they are the representative of that constituency in Parliament. They should spend more time in London and go back once or twice a week to consult with their constituents. The rest of the time they should be appearing in Parliament and debate and vote in the best interest of those constituents, theoretically anyway.
Indeed ,i think half the problem is getting the MP's to spend time in parliament voting and debating
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Old 19-03-2012, 12:42   #47
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I thought politicians spent most of their time mass debating?
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Re: National pay rates may be scrapped for public workers

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Why? They aren't governors or mayors of their constituencies, they are the representative of that constituency in Parliament. They should spend more time in London and go back once or twice a week to consult with their constituents. The rest of the time they should be appearing in Parliament and debate and vote in the best interest of those constituents, theoretically anyway.
Maybe so in theory. But have you ever been to parliament? Apart from big issues it is almost empty most of the time. Most of the debates are for relatively minor issues, and only those with a direct interest (or direct interest to their constituents) will usually turn up. So their time is often better spent in their own constituency.

This of course is different at minister level, where they are based in London for their ministerial duties. In these cases it's often their constituents who lose out.

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I thought politicians spent most of their time mass debating?
Now that's another issue completely
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Old 19-03-2012, 15:13   #49
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Re: National pay rates may be scrapped for public workers

We'll see.I think this may be a bit of spin to make us sigh with relief when it doesn't happen.
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Old 19-03-2012, 21:31   #50
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Re: National pay rates may be scrapped for public workers

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Maybe so in theory. But have you ever been to parliament? Apart from big issues it is almost empty most of the time. Most of the debates are for relatively minor issues, and only those with a direct interest (or direct interest to their constituents) will usually turn up. So their time is often better spent in their own constituency.

This of course is different at minister level, where they are based in London for their ministerial duties. In these cases it's often their constituents who lose out.

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Now that's another issue completely
yep only got see parliment tv channel to see the lazy swines either asleep or decided to be not present.

Would like to see fixed rate of attendance paid on presence of being in the chamber.

They then get small rate to cover there constituency £5,000. They then get £10,000 for position of importance like cabinet and oposition post.

Ban the whips and lobbyist any coverting MP's to vote certain way by bully's should be delt with banned permantly from parliment.

I would argue banning parties though its thought provoking but would not work insane abit. However MP's should always vote constituents wishes first.

I could argue people should be consulted on policies take these latest crazy policies should we not have a say. Some will say you vote the manifesto but whats to stop party changing it. Many either vote on one issue or the party.

So therefore we should as nation shape polices it would then be sense of involvement rather than we told we going to do this to hell with your views.

It certainly prevent crazy policies being put through.
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Old 19-03-2012, 21:48   #51
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Re: National pay rates may be scrapped for public workers

You appear to be confusing our representative democracy with a delegated democracy....

How would the delegated democracy work - every time there was a vote in the House, would the MP have to go back to the constituency and hold a ballot amongst the voters?
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Old 19-03-2012, 22:56   #52
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You appear to be confusing our representative democracy with a delegated democracy....

How would the delegated democracy work - every time there was a vote in the House, would the MP have to go back to the constituency and hold a ballot amongst the voters?
yes only national issues should be voted by polititians like war etc.

Policy issues should be part of a democracy of the people.

At least then people have the right to say no or yes. Infact would say people might just be more interested to vote if they had power.

It should never be upto 1 individual who gets bullied to tow the party line. We also should have the right to vote them out too. Mandate to remove polititians who not do what the people voted him in for. MP's should be more accountable to there actions more.

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Re: National pay rates may be scrapped for public workers

You do realise there are usually 130-150 divisions (voting calls) in the House of Commons each year - how would that many votes be held in each constituency, and how would you suggest it was done in a cost-effective manner in the 646 constituencies?
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You do realise there are usually 130-150 divisions (voting calls) in the House of Commons each year - how would that many votes be held in each constituency, and how would you suggest it was done in a cost-effective manner in the 646 constituencies?
catagorise them. Many which dont really have national implecations could be voted by MP. However if there link to particular constituency they get vote on it.

Major policies should be voted by us the people. ALL these policies which major gets voted either during council elections or at election time. It could easily be done surely dont think anybody in right mind would be against it. If we can find funds for referendums on constitution. Find euro voting for MEP, the planned police comissioner then we can do it for catagory A level major policies. Onbudsman independant arbitory will delegate which policies should be voted on by us. MP's or government would therefore not be allowed to dictate which we can vote to ensure no corrupting.

Its argumentive that all manefesto's should be voted during election. Allowing us to choose party then policy of all parties. Serving government forced to enact our wishes whether its there policy or not.

Hugh honest it can be done with little thought.
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Re: National pay rates may be scrapped for public workers

Be careful what you wish for.....

Benefit cuts

Spending cuts
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So how do you suggest that they address this anomaly?
Why don't you ask the CEOs during their holidays in Monaco?

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What the government should be doing is that insted of having a go at Public Sector workers and MPs, they should force the private sector to offer the same standards as the public sector, also they should also deregulate Unions as well, if they are going to do the same to businesses
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Why don't you ask the CEOs during their holidays in Monaco?

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What the government should be doing is that insted of having a go at Public Sector workers and MPs, they should force the private sector to offer the same standards as the public sector, also they should also deregulate Unions as well, if they are going to do the same to businesses
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If only that was the case.
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I thought he had been arrested...only a matter of time
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