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Old 19-04-2012, 14:27   #166
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That's nothing to do with democracy......HUGE FAIL Alan!!!!!
Yes it does, what the point of democracy if you can't have a high a growing standard of living? (and it goes against you and in favour of others)
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I have not ACUTELY done any of those things!

Yet again you have a wrong impression of me!
You have encouraged people to do all of those things, which makes you just as bad. In fact it makes you worse, because you want other people to do your dirty work for you, because you don't have the bottle.


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Its a democracy, but in favour of the working people
No Alan, it is absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

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More well paid jobs, it does not matter what job it is
Where does the money come from to pay for those well paid jobs??? If you increase wages, then you increase production costs, and then increase inflation.

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Yes it does, what the point of democracy if you can't have a high a growing standard of living? (and it goes against you and in favour of others)
Get a dictonary Alan
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What I am trying to do is move more of the wealth from the rich to the working people, the higher wages can be paid with a crakcodwn on tax evasion and avoidance

What the rich have to accept for them to be less wealthy and for the working people to be richer
I know you hate facts Alan but consider this table:

Rank Place GVA per capita
in pounds (dollars in parenthesis)
1 England 20 442 ($31,545)
2 Scotland 19 744 ($30,468)
3 Northern Ireland 15 795 ($24,374)
4 Wales 14 842 ($22,903)

And by region:

1 Greater London 34,200 ($52,776)
2 South East England 20,923 ($32,287)
3 East of England 18,591 ($28,689)
4 South West England 18,211 ($28,102)
5 East Midlands 17,349 ($26,772)
6 North West England 17,263 ($26,639)
7 West Midlands 16,788 ($25,906)
8 Yorkshire and the Humber, England 16,569 ($25,568)
9 North East England 15,621 ($24,106)

This is what each person in each area would get if everybody was paid the same according to the total income of each area. i.e. No rich at all.

Nobody's going to be as well off as you think they'll be under your equality system but I guess that doesn't fit in with your narrow perspective.

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Yes it does, what the point of democracy if you can't have a high a growing standard of living? (and it goes against you and in favour of others)
You appear to be confusing politics with economics.....

Democracy is, imho, about involvement in the political process through delegated or representative means by universal suffrage - what has that got to do with 'a high a growing standard of living' (sic)?
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http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/democracy

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democracy

Pronunciation: /dɪˈmɒkrəsi/
noun (plural democracies)
[mass noun]

a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives: a system of parliamentary democracy
[count noun] a state governed under a system of democracy: a multiparty democracy
control of an organization or group by the majority of its members: the intended extension of industrial democracy
the practice or principles of social equality: demands for greater democracy

Origin:

late 16th century: from French démocratie, via late Latin from Greek dēmokratia, from dēmos 'the people' + -kratia 'power, rule'

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Re: Unemployment is rising

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Nobody's going to be as well off as you think they'll be under your equality system but I guess that doesn't fit in with your narrow perspective.
Or, to put it another way:

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The rich haven't got enough money to make the rest of us comfortable. Just look at the arithmetic

If we average out global GDP we get to a figure of about $8,000 per head, something like that. That's a tad over £5,000 each. So if we share everything around the world equally with everyone around the world then that's what each of us, at maximum, can possibly have each year.

Given that the UK government is around £700 billionish a year at present and there are 64 million of us, that means that what we can buy with our equal share of the world's resources is about 50 per cent of the government we already have.

<snip>

So truly divvying it all up amongst everyone really isn't going to work. But could we do it just among those who share these Blessed Isles with us? Sadly, no, we can't, not if we're all going to be adequately cared for. As we're told in the paper today there isn't enough money to go round just among us either.
A survey of over 2,000 adults by the insurance company found that Britons need extra pre-tax income of £7,236 a year to make them feel financially secure.
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So, there are 25 million households in the country and every one of them needs an extra £7,236 a year to feel secure. Yes, we can do this, this is what average means, we get to multiply the average by the number to give us the total. This is, that total, near enough £180 billion as makes no difference ... Where might we get £180 billion from? Well, there's the rich of course! They are the b'stards who have captured all the moolah in the first place and that's where our jacquerie is going to reclaim it from. Darn right too!

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To make all households financially secure we've got to find £180 billion, but even if we take all the cash off the top 10 per cent, all the food, ponies, labradors and croquet lawns they have, we've only got £130 billion. So we cannot in fact just redistribute the dosh that's lying around and make this the green, pleasant and equal land that some seem to want. For there just isn't enough cash to provide the standard of living everyone wants. That is, we cannot redistribute our way to wealth.
Well worth reading in full:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance...he-arithmetic/
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You have encouraged people to do all of those things, which makes you just as bad. In fact it makes you worse, because you want other people to do your dirty work for you, because you don't have the bottle.




No Alan, it is absolutely nothing to do with democracy.

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Where does the money come from to pay for those well paid jobs??? If you increase wages, then you increase production costs, and then increase inflation.

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Get a dictonary Alan
For godness sake, all I have done is encorage people to stand up and demand real and radcial change in favour of the working people, the reason why I have suggested these methods becuase they are the only way it is going to be possible

Remember the term:

You provide the pictures, I will provide the War

Also the democracy we have is in favour of the rich, I want that to change

As for the money, it comes from the WEALTHY and BUSINESSES

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I know you hate facts Alan but consider this table:

Rank Place GVA per capita
in pounds (dollars in parenthesis)
1 England 20 442 ($31,545)
2 Scotland 19 744 ($30,468)
3 Northern Ireland 15 795 ($24,374)
4 Wales 14 842 ($22,903)

And by region:

1 Greater London 34,200 ($52,776)
2 South East England 20,923 ($32,287)
3 East of England 18,591 ($28,689)
4 South West England 18,211 ($28,102)
5 East Midlands 17,349 ($26,772)
6 North West England 17,263 ($26,639)
7 West Midlands 16,788 ($25,906)
8 Yorkshire and the Humber, England 16,569 ($25,568)
9 North East England 15,621 ($24,106)

This is what each person in each area would get if everybody was paid the same according to the total income of each area. i.e. No rich at all.

Nobody's going to be as well off as you think they'll be under your equality system but I guess that doesn't fit in with your narrow perspective.

Table source
Like you and your friends, you make wrong claims about me, I have not called for people to be as well off, only to have a decent wage to have a decent lifestyle, in other terms a more fianancialy equal place

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You appear to be confusing politics with economics.....

Democracy is, imho, about involvement in the political process through delegated or representative means by universal suffrage - what has that got to do with 'a high a growing standard of living' (sic)?
Because a lot of "Democracies" are corrupted by the wealthy and major businesses so that it can be in favour of them (and make then richer) and against the working people (and make then poorer)

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Or, to put it another way:


Well worth reading in full:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance...he-arithmetic/
Like I have said, we need more that just talking money off the rich (like investing into the economy), but it would help, anyway does it count Tax Evasion and Avoidance?

Remember that newspaper is owned by Billionaires David and Frederick Barclay
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For godness sake, all I have done is encorage people to stand up and demand real and radcial change in favour of the working people, the reason why I have suggested these methods becuase they are the only way it is going to be possible

Remember the term:

You provide the pictures, I will provide the War

Also the democracy we have is in favour of the rich, I want that to change

As for the money, it comes from the WEALTHY and BUSINESSES

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Like you and your friends, you make wrong claims about me, I have not called for people to be as well off, only to have a decent wage to have a decent lifestyle, in other terms a more fianancialy equal place

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Because a lot of "Democracies" are corrupted by the wealthy and major businesses so that it can be in favour of them (and make then richer) and against the working people (and make then poorer)

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Like I have said, we need more that just talking money off the rich (like investing into the economy), but it would help, anyway does it count Tax Evasion and Avoidance?

Remember that newspaper is owned by Billionaires David and Frederick Barclay
Alan, I think you need to go back into class, as you obviously have a huge amount to learn. Then you can come back to the forum once you know what you are talking about.

Run along now, the teacher is ringing the bell
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Alan, I think you need to go back into class, as you obviously have a huge amount to learn. Then you can come back to the forum once you know what you are talking about.

Run along now, the teacher is ringing the bell
It seems that you and your friends are the ones that need to go back to scholl, with all your false claims, and accusations of me being a

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"Terrorist"

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Yup a list that sums you up perfectly, I am beginning to wonder if you believe in any of it or just get off on the reactions it gives you.

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"Dictator"

"Terrorist"

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"Looney Left"

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Yup a list that sums you up perfectly, I am beginning to wonder if believe in any of it or just get off on the reactions it gives you.
Sadly for you (and your friends) I beleve that you (and your friends) are 100% WRONG, clearly you (and your friends) use those terms jsut because I stand up for the working people

Here is how I describe you and your friends:

"Defenders of a Failed Economic System"

"Defenders of a Failed Social System"

"Defenders of a Failed Poltical System"

"Promoters of a Failed Economic System"

"Promoters of a Failed Social System"

"Promoters of a Failed Poltical System"

"McCarthyists"

"South African Boar Nationalists"

"Thacherite"

"Reganite"

"Neo Liberals"

"Pro Free Market"

"Eliteist"

May I go on?
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No you may not.

This has obviously passed its sell-by date. Thread closed to save people from themselves.
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