Pensions - no wonder there are strikes

[Osem]

Again ......WHAT DIVIDENDS?

Would sir like one of these* for the weekend?

*



You do realise you're trying to argue with Ed Miliband don't you.....

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Sorry, that doesn't wash.

A) your link lead to a series of links, rather than something that specifically backed up your assertions
B) you appear to take the word of a FBU campaign document rather than a number of Pension Fund websites (as well as a Unite union website) - either the FBU are being misleading, or pension funds for around six million people are; which do you think is more likely?

You can think what you want Hugh. Like I said the FACTS are there, and you can believe them or not.

The FBU don't want industrial action, it would be a last resort. They want a negotiated settlement based on FACTS. So it would be rather stupid of them to enter negotiations with fantasy figures.

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Originally Posted by martyh

I don't need to i am one

And me

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Accept less profits and dividends

You are assuming that all companies make big profits.

Open your eyes, the country is in a mess, and companies are struggling

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

They should get the extra money from the dividends

Would that be from the magic dividend cloud?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Sorry, your statement appears contradictory.

It appears to be stating "everyone will retire at 68, except firemen, who will retire at 60" - am I misunderstanding something?

Yes you are

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

To make money, businesses small and large will have to accept less profits in the future

Alan, in a previous thread you were trying to tell us that you were high management for a huge company...you have just blown that idea right out of the water.

[Osem]

Don't forget, any nasty evil companies who refused to hand over all their dividends would be immediately "subject to Iran like sanctions blah blah blah....."

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Osem

Don't forget, any nasty evil companies who refused to hand over all their dividends would be immediately "subject to Iran like sanctions blah blah blah....."

Let's face it ,in Alans world who would bother to set up a company

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by gazzae

What if the company is at break even or making a loss?

Then there is somthing wrong with the company

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

You can think what you want Hugh. Like I said the FACTS are there, and you can believe them or not.

The FBU don't want industrial action, it would be a last resort. They want a negotiated settlement based on FACTS. So it would be rather stupid of them to enter negotiations with fantasy figures.

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And me

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You are assuming that all companies make big profits.

Open your eyes, the country is in a mess, and companies are struggling

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Would that be from the magic dividend cloud?

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Yes you are

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Alan, in a previous thread you were trying to tell us that you were high management for a huge company...you have just blown that idea right out of the water.

The country is in a mess due to the rich we need to make final salary pensions the law

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by martyh

Let's face it ,in Alans world who would bother to set up a company

Unless it is a super airport

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

Let's face it ,in Alans world who would bother to set up a company

In a world government, companies will either be state owned or co-operatives

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Originally Posted by Osem

Don't forget, any nasty evil companies who refused to hand over all their dividends would be immediately "subject to Iran like sanctions blah blah blah....."

The worlds a globalised place, you need to think global

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Then there is somthing wrong with the company

There is something wrong with many companies....it's called lack of profit due to the recession...or isn't there a recession in your fantasy world?

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

The country is in a mess due to the rich we need to make final salary pensions the law

You really know how to bankrupt a country don't you Alan

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Then there is somthing wrong with the company[COLOR="Silver"]

You really don't have a clue.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

blah blah blah....
.... you need to think ...

Whereas you just need to think full stop!

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Originally Posted by gazzae

You really don't have a clue.

It's like arguing with a child isn't it.....

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

In a world government, companies will either be state owned or co-operatives

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The worlds a globalised place, you need to think global

And in Alan's fantasy world, he will be a communist dictator

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

There is something wrong with many companies....it's called lack of profit due to the recession...or isn't there a recession in your fantasy world?




You really know how to bankrupt a country don't you Alan

I know there is a recession, the worst since the 1930s and was cuased by the rich themselfs (and the high risks they took and the economic system that benfits them)

My plan can be done with tax rises and a crackdown on tax evasion and avoidance

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Originally Posted by gazzae

You really don't have a clue.

The only people who don't have a clue are people who defend and promote a failed economic, social and poltical system

[Osem]

Apparently I just don't get it.

Well I'd be severely worried about my sanity if any of his 'arguments' made sense to me...

Anyway his reluctance to redistribute some of his wealth to the poor are duly noted and should be borne in mind each time we're subjected to one of his sermons....

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

You can think what you want Hugh. Like I said the FACTS are there, and you can believe them or not.

The FBU don't want industrial action, it would be a last resort. They want a negotiated settlement based on FACTS. So it would be rather stupid of them to enter negotiations with fantasy figures.

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And me

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You are assuming that all companies make big profits.

Open your eyes, the country is in a mess, and companies are struggling

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Would that be from the magic dividend cloud?

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Yes you are

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Alan, in a previous thread you were trying to tell us that you were high management for a huge company...you have just blown that idea right out of the water.

So are all the pension companies (Teachers, NHS, Local Government) and Unite (and Unison, who say the same thing on their website) lying? Because their facts appear to contradict the FBU facts.

So I am misunderstanding the 60/68 statement - can you help clarify it, please - will firemen retire at 60, or not?

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I know there is a recession, the worst since the 1930s and was cuased by the rich themselfs (and the high risks they took and the economic system that benfits them)

My plan can be done with tax rises and a crackdown on tax evasion and avoidance

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The only people who don't have a clue are people who defend and promote a failed economic, social and poltical system

No Alan, your plan is in cloud cukoo land, along with your airport.