western economy failure down to crony capitalism ?

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

If thats what you want to think to make yourself feel better sure.

Personally I would refuse to work there for nothing. I am a job snob then?

so you would refuse to do work experience programs ?

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

agreed, I said it years ago and now its been proven true. It was obviously done with short term profits in mind, reduce the cost of labour and keep shareholders happy, however the obvious longer term consequences would be less people working and as such buying the goods. I think however this is not going to be reversed since so much wealth has shifted over to the east we will now see emerging markets where these companies will aim to sell their goods. IT is now massive in india, everyday I get emails spamming offering web development work from india companies, no idea how they got my email but blocking them the email keeps coming from new domains, numerous large companies now outsource development to india, centrica moved their network team to india (source my sister, works for them), eg. if she needs her email account fixed she has to ring india. The obvious casualty is manufacturing as well to china, however another issue with manufacturing is the amount of automation. When I used to work for walkers crisps, the day I started there was 5-8 people manning each machine, those same machines when I left were manned by 3-4 people and plans were in place to drop it down to 1-2 with further automation, parts of the warehouse also got automated as well. On another production line I had seen manning drop by 75% in a 3 year period. The only jobs I see staying consistent is service jobs, like mechanics, shops, hairdressers, healthcare etc. Even shopping is s a shrinking sector as we seeing high street shops falling like dominoes with the likes of tesco selling everything possible and allowing it to be ordered over the internet.

The first obvious thing to fix would be to bring outsourced work back over, however its not as simple as that as any company doing that wold be uncompetitive, everyone would have to agree to do it together which isnt going to happen. The fix the government seems to have in mind is to supply cheap labour to companies as an incentive to keep them employing people here. ultimately tho something has to give for things to get better and that has to be the top 1-2% accepting a loss of wealth, if they dont then this situation will continue. Look at the top 1-2% wealth during the 60s boom era. It dropped significantly. It then rose again during the 80s up until where are we today.

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If thats what you want to think to make yourself feel better sure.

Personally I would refuse to work there for nothing. I am a job snob then?

Indeed its BALANCE shift they now the Western developed world though called EASTERN.

We fast becoming third world with our jobs cul wage cul even now the Work for nothing even come into our domain. Basically we will next see poverty increase stavation and shanty towns.

However whether it get that bad is another thing as there will be world war for JOBS.

We simply slit our throats businesses narrow minded and short sighted what they done. Created a monster which will grow and grow with pace.

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

If thats what you want to think to make yourself feel better sure.

Personally I would refuse to work there for nothing. I am a job snob then?

nothing to do with what I want to think - it's what he actually said, as reported by the press; your problem if the facts don't match your world-view....

And he was talking about the actual job of shelf-stacking being looked down on by some people, not the fact it was work experience - nice try at moving the goalposts, though....

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by martyh

so you would refuse to do work experience programs ?

if it had no relevance to the type of work I was looking for probably.

Also if I was on sickness benefits very likely for any type of work I would consider to put my health at risk.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

nothing to do with what I want to think - it's what he actually said, as reported by the press; your problem if the facts don't match your world-view....

And he was talking about the actual job of shelf-stacking being looked down on by some people, not the fact it was work experience - nice try at moving the goalposts, though....

if thats what he was talking about then he wasnt even responding to the problem.

I dont remember any press reports or comments (apart from maggy) looking down at the job, the issue was the fact people were working for nothing without a gurantueed job and getting sanctioned if refuse to keep doing it.

Or does he think thats a problem not worth making a comment on.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But in order for the EU to be totally integrated, wouldn't that take a vote by citizens of each of the countries?

What if one (or more) of the countries didn't want to be integrated.

Simples, we'll subject them to tough EU sanctions just like Iran..........

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
But in order for the EU to be totally integrated, wouldn't that take a vote by citizens of each of the countries?

What if one (or more) of the countries didn't want to be integrated.

You keep making them vote until they give the "correct" answer.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Taf

And there are loads more examples in their holy book

http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

Christians have no such instructions in their holy book.

Yes, but they also call Jesus a Messenger of God and a phophet, they also say the same about Moses as well!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Moses

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Well on the topic of this post, how is it helping the economy me doing xx amount of hours a week at tesco for nothing?

their shareholders get a boost. Thats it.

On the original scheme I would have got a job interview and thats it, I likely would have lost time actually looking for paid employment.

Slave labour isnt the fix for excessive capitalism, regulating it is the fix. "excessive profits" needs to become a real thing.

I agree with that!

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Originally Posted by mertle

Indeed its BALANCE shift they now the Western developed world though called EASTERN.

We fast becoming third world with our jobs cul wage cul even now the Work for nothing even come into our domain. Basically we will next see poverty increase stavation and shanty towns.

However whether it get that bad is another thing as there will be world war for JOBS.

We simply slit our throats businesses narrow minded and short sighted what they done. Created a monster which will grow and grow with pace.

Which is why we need a Global Government and reforms to Capitalism and Democracy!