Net migration to Britain remains at record levels

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Good! We desperately need more taxpayers to keep this country going!!

Only because too many economies including ours are based on the premise of an ever increasing population and economic growth to keep the Ponzi scheme going. That model will have to change as resources become increasingly depleted.

the average world citizen has an eco-footprint of about 2.7 global average hectares while there are only 2.1 global hectare of bioproductive land and water per capita on earth. This means that humanity has already overshot global biocapacity by 30% and now lives unsustainabily by depleting stocks of “natural capital”

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[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Yes, but if you have skills, they are more willing to let you in, take Australia and New Zealand (and maybe emerging economies) for example. My point is that the money is no longer here, it is in the current and emerging superpowers.

No matter what we do, they will still break in, it not our fault that Mainland Europe is less tolerant that we are!!!

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A lot of these migrants aree here to work and they pay taxes!

I have skills and I have a job in the UK that these immigrants are unable to take off me, so from a purely selfish point of view my job is not at risk.

What I do object to, is the lack of control. The UK border services have now been found out, they have let large numbers of bogus students, would be sham husbands/brides and known criminals into the country. UK immigration should be tightened up so that anyone deported from the UK or any unsavory characters should be stopped from gaining entry.

It's time we grew some backbone and tell the EU we are tightening up our criteria of who we let in and who we don't. The EU immigrants are currently the biggest problem because we have little control over them.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I have skills and I have a job in the UK that these immigrants are unable to take off me, so from a purely selfish point of view my job is not at risk.

What I do object to, is the lack of control. The UK border services have now been found out, they have let large numbers of bogus students, would be sham husbands/brides and known criminals into the country. UK immigration should be tightened up so that anyone deported from the UK or any unsavory characters should be stopped from gaining entry.

It's time we grew some backbone and tell the EU we are tightening up our criteria of who we let in and who we don't. The EU immigrants are currently the biggest problem because we have little control over them.

I agree that we should not allow criminals in this nation, but if you want to really solve this problem, then the UK needs to give aid (and interfere in their own affairs) to other nations!

We need to also force mainland Europe to be more tolerant!

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I agree that we should not allow criminals in this nation, but if you want to really solve this problem, then the UK needs to give aid (and interfere in their own affairs) to other nations!

We need to also force mainland Europe to be more tolerant!

Aid as the sole answer is something that I feel uncomfortable with, I feel that giving aid to prop up countries to stop their citizens coming to the UK is a form of bribe.

I think that bribery of people to behave themselves is something that goeson quit a lot. One thing that I sat back and thought about recently was the change in situation with regards to what can be termed as 'problem' immigrants. Back in the 1990s there was a mass immigration into the UK of people from certain troubled countries. I remember that one community in South Wales became well known for petty robberies, muggings etc. Now their community is hardly ever mentioned as a problem as the focus is now on the crimes committed by East European immigrants.

For me, I don't so much think that these people suddenly changed their ways. I believe that the reduction in crime was a result of the Labour government paying them sufficient benefits to live comfortably.

I see it as a form of bribery, I don't believe we should pay people money to behave themselves. We should deport them to their country of origin if they commit crime no matter what the conditions are in that country.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Escapee

Aid as the sole answer is something that I feel uncomfortable with, I feel that giving aid to prop up countries to stop their citizens coming to the UK is a form of bribe.

I think that bribery of people to behave themselves is something that goeson quit a lot. One thing that I sat back and thought about recently was the change in situation with regards to what can be termed as 'problem' immigrants. Back in the 1990s there was a mass immigration into the UK of people from certain troubled countries. I remember that one community in South Wales became well known for petty robberies, muggings etc. Now their community is hardly ever mentioned as a problem as the focus is now on the crimes committed by East European immigrants.

For me, I don't so much think that these people suddenly changed their ways. I believe that the reduction in crime was a result of the Labour government paying them sufficient benefits to live comfortably.

I see it as a form of bribery, I don't believe we should pay people money to behave themselves. We should deport them to their country of origin if they commit crime no matter what the conditions are in that country.

We should deport criminals, but we should not stop refugees and migrants (who want to work here) from coming to the UK!

As long as they positively (like my parent) contribute to this country, I see no problem!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

We should deport criminals, but we should not stop refugees and migrants (who want to work here) from coming to the UK!

As long as they positively (like my parent) contribute to this country, I see no problem!

not even if we don't have enough work for those who already live here ?

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

not even if we don't have enough work for those who already live here ?

That is the governments fault, they are not providing enough decent jobs for US!

If there are no jobs here, then why do they come?

And what about refugee's?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

That is the governments fault, they are not providing enough decent jobs for US!

If there are no jobs here, then why do they come?

And what about refugee's?

the gov don't create jobs out of thin air

why do they come -its a benefit claimers utopia

as for refugee's -i believe they are supposed to seek asylum in the first safe country they enter not traverse half the known word making a bee line for the uk , we are a group of islands one does not get here without travelling through other safe countries .

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

the gov don't create jobs out of thin air

why do they come -its a benefit claimers utopia

as for refugee's -i believe they are supposed to seek asylum in the first safe country they enter not traverse half the known word making a bee line for the uk , we are a group of islands one does not get here without travelling through other safe countries .

The government should invest much more into the economy

For refugees, they do not stay in mainland europe because they are intolerant

Less migrants (in proportion) are on benefits, when compared to UK citizens!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

The government should invest much more into the economy

For refugees, they do not stay in mainland europe because they are intolerant

Less migrants (in proportion) are on benefits, when compared to UK citizens!

so this is better than Europe can offer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...4-flyover.html

[SkyFTW]

Who really cares any more? My Mrs job means she can choose where she wants to live eg, Austrailia,America, NewZeland, Canada.

Once our youngest (12) Has finished school and got into uni we are out of here. Moving to a expat community in America or Australia. An because you need skills to move to these countrys the expat communitys are generally in good areas.

Her brother lives in Australia and the standard of life is very good, Its also nice to know your neighborhood will not become flooded with under skilled migrants who don't appear to look after themselves or there homes. If you drive through these areas they don't even mow the lawns for godsake.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

the gov don't create jobs out of thin air

why do they come -its a benefit claimers utopia

as for refugee's -i believe they are supposed to seek asylum in the first safe country they enter not traverse half the known word making a bee line for the uk , we are a group of islands one does not get here without travelling through other safe countries .

That's what I find amusing, They need asylum in the UK as they will suffer some awful fate in there own country, But they passed through 8 safe countries on the way here.

Its all big scam my advice? Get educated and get out of here. Or at least ensure your kids have the education to get out.

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

The government should invest much more into the economy

For refugees, they do not stay in mainland europe because they are intolerant

Less migrants (in proportion) are on benefits, when compared to UK citizens!

Its not always intolerance, sometimes other countries simply do not have the resources cope with high immigration.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

so this is better than Europe can offer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...4-flyover.html

I do feel sorry for them (my family also came from the Punjab as well), but If they were in France, it would have been even worse!!

They would have been attacked and also they could not wear their Turbans to a pubic building!

Also there is not much of a South Asian community in France (unlike here!)

[richard s]

Fact: There is a higher crime rate for migrants than there is for the native population by percentage of head count (like for like).

Old Blighty is dying or dead. Our Lord and Masters that be say it is good for Britain to be a Multi racial society. I wish they would have asked the natives before going ahead with this strategy... Referendums are good.

Anyway I would not like to move to Iran as they are about to get Nuked by Israel... me thinks there be trouble ahead.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by richard s

Fact: There is a higher crime rate for migrants than there is for the native population by percentage of head count (like for like).

Old Blighty is dying or dead. Our Lord and Masters that be say it is good for Britain to be a Multi racial society. I wish they would have asked the natives before going ahead with this strategy... Referendums are good.

Anyway I would not like to move to Iran as they are about to get Nuked by Israel... me thinks there be trouble ahead.

the reason why many people come to the UK from Commonwealth nations is sue to the dammage cased by the UK in those regions!

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

the reason why many people come to the UK from Commonwealth nations is sue to the dammage cased by the UK in those regions!

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