Will you buy The Sun on Sunday?

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I think right now given what we know which is not the whole story it is completely justified for many of the public to be angry with NI and anyone that feels it is unfair either works for them or benefits from them. They have acted in a despicable manner and there is no defence for what they have done and so far they come across to me as only being sorry they got caught. They still don't really give a stuff about the people they affected or the rights of those people they abused so sorry Marko but right now i will continue to look on NI as little better then pondlife and would rather slowly nail my head to a wall then give a single penny to one of the most disreputable organisations currently about .

They will always be the gutter press in many peoples mind

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

They will always be the gutter press in many peoples mind

That is a touch to highbrow for those rags.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Peter_

That is a touch to highbrow for those rags.

I'm being generous today

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

They will always be the gutter press in many peoples mind

Originally Posted by Peter_

That is a touch to highbrow for those rags.

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

I'm being generous today

[marko]

Originally Posted by Peter_

I am amazed at how brilliant a company murdochs lot have turned out to be, just think that from scratch and in just one week they decided to print a new rag and lo and behold without any forward planning it came together in that short period of time.

I now know exactly how they did it because obviously they called in the only team capable of such a feat.

High praise, mate, coming from you. If only you knew . . .

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by marko

High praise, mate, coming from you. If only you knew . . .

I now know exactly how they did it because obviously they called in the only team capable of such a feat.

Since in essence it seems to be the Saturday edition with a bit more sport and commentary I would have thought the Sun's team that produce the Saturday edition would heve been quite capable of stepping up to the plate in short order.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by marko

Thanks Chris, voice of reason. Although I'm pretty confident the launch date was actually a surprise to many senior staff as well as to the "lowly" infantry.

To be honest I didn't expect anything other than the type of blind hatred towards NI that's been exhibited on this thread. My guess is that company could end Third World Debt, cure cancer and feed the starving millions . . . yet still get pelters from all sides.

The answer looks simple to me. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

We're all lowly when we're on the outside of the CEO's office door

Though my own career in the media was confined to the hectic world of regional weekly Press, I do have some understanding of how quickly an entirely new product can be generated from scratch and with little or no prior warning.

We had a visit from Her Maj on my patch, as bad luck would have it on a Friday, which was our publication day, hence little point going big on it as the daily competition would have done it to death before we got anywhere near.

Der Management decided a full-colour, one-off souvenir paper, to be in the shops by Friday teatime, was the answer. We got a week's notice of this. There was little we could do in advance in any case from an editorial point of view as all the words and pictures had to flow from events on the day, but I was very impressed with how quickly and smoothly the advertising and production departments swung into action.

We produced a darned fine product, though I say so myself, and blew anything the competition produced right out of the water. . I also got a couple of very privileged vantage points during the day and have absolute, undying respect for our Queen as a result, but that's another story entirely.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Chris

We're all lowly when we're on the outside of the CEO's office door

Though my own career in the media was confined to the hectic world of regional weekly Press, I do have some understanding of how quickly an entirely new product can be generated from scratch and with little or no prior warning.

We had a visit from Her Maj on my patch, as bad luck would have it on a Friday, which was our publication day, hence little point going big on it as the daily competition would have done it to death before we got anywhere near.

Der Management decided a full-colour, one-off souvenir paper, to be in the shops by Friday teatime, was the answer. We got a week's notice of this. There was little we could do in advance in any case from an editorial point of view as all the words and pictures had to flow from events on the day, but I was very impressed with how quickly and smoothly the advertising and production departments swung into action.

We produced a darned fine product, though I say so myself, and blew anything the competition produced right out of the water. . I also got a couple of very privileged vantage points during the day and have absolute, undying respect for our Queen as a result, but that's another story entirely.

That was for a local rag though. Not a national paper, which is on a massive scale compared.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

That was for a local rag though. Not a national paper, which is on a massive scale compared.

The point of the comparison was to show that it isn't difficult to do something new at short notice, even if that new thing is outside of the norm for the organisation concerned.

However, producing a newspaper is the same process, regardless of whether it's a regional or a national title. The national title requires more staff to make it happen but the process is not new; it is well understood and not at all complicated for an organisation with sufficient staff and expertise to pull off.

I'm surprised you're not already aware of this, given your family connections.

[Damien]

My local paper always has exclusives about a school that raised money with a bake sale, or pictures of local politicians with a spade. Not sure if they would ever stop the presses with a big story.

Not sure what the point of this comment is really...

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Damien

My local paper always has exclusives about a school that raised money with a bake sale, or pictures of local politicians with a spade. Not sure if they would ever stop the presses with a big story.

That's because there's a difference between a local free-sheet and a paid-for regional title. Mine was the latter. There are still quite a few paid-for weeklies about, but the huge number of free-sheets in circulation tends to give the category 'weekly' a bad name. A free-sheet exists to sell adverts and the editorial content is the minimum necessary to encourage people to read it and therefore justify the advertising rates. A paid-for weekly is as much a part of the UK's regional news industry as any other and in an area where it competes with other paid-for titles, especially where that competition is a daily paper, (as mine did, still does in fact) the editorial exclusives are of a rather better quality.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by marko

High praise, mate, coming from you. If only you knew . . .

Sorry but if you are still insisting that the paper only came together in 7 days then you are delusional as it is not possible in the real world.

It has been planned for months as that amount of work and preparation takes time and effort.

If a certain Mr Murdoch read these posts he would be laughing up his sleeve because some people have fell for the hype.

Even if you are an employee and you believe this I wonder at the kind of staff employed and what criteria they are using to recruit them, I also wonder is the vehicle below driven by any of those new employees.

[Chrysalis]

It was probably decided the same moment the decision was made to stop the NOTW.

[martyh]

Originally Posted by Peter_

Sorry but if you are still insisting that the paper only came together in 7 days then you are delusional as it is not possible in the real world.

It has been planned for months as that amount of work and preparation takes time and effort.

If a certain Mr Murdoch read these posts he would be laughing up his sleeve because some people have fell for the hype.

Even if you are an employee and you believe this I wonder at the kind of staff employed and what criteria they are using to recruit them, I also wonder is the vehicle below driven by any of those new employees.

All they had to do was add the words "Sunday" and "on" to the title page ,print some stories that didn't get used the previous week and bob's your uncle the Sun on Sunday is born all the staff where already in place

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Chris

The point of the comparison was to show that it isn't difficult to do something new at short notice, even if that new thing is outside of the norm for the organisation concerned.

However, producing a newspaper is the same process, regardless of whether it's a regional or a national title. The national title requires more staff to make it happen but the process is not new; it is well understood and not at all complicated for an organisation with sufficient staff and expertise to pull off.

I'm surprised you're not already aware of this, given your family connections.

It is easy to pull off on a local level, where the logistics are in place, and it only takes paying overtime to staff to do another press run.

However with a national paper it takes a huge amount of logistical organisation. Although the print run probably isn't any more of a problem than it is for a local paper.

I'm not saying it would be impossible, but it would cause many problems. It would be very nieve of anyone to think that senior management hadn't been planning this for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

It was probably decided the same moment the decision was made to stop the NOTW.

I think you are probably right. Many people (including myself) predicted it on that very day. So it certainly didn't come out of the blue for senior management.